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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    Thanks Saideo.

    My intention was to question the people who underestimates the Sanatana Dharma.

    To understand the 1 itself, one has to elevate the mind to that level, where he can see the whole consciousness and prakriti as 1 system.

    Only a very few can perceive and assimilate that.

    When we are on earth we see at micro resolution. When we see earth from moon, it is a single unit. When from the next star, it is not even a point. When we see our universe from another universe, it is 1 point.

    Imagine a mind that can perceieve the whole bramhan and prakriti as 1.

    So the question to myislam may be " yes we know God is 1 but do you know what that 1 God means ?"

    It is here they lose out as they are seperated from God.

    Love and best wishes

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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    namaste Kalol.

    BhagavAn Das has written a very good book 'The Science of Peace'. I have serialized this old publication starting from the thread below:
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2598

    This book gives a wealth of information about Hindu and other philosophies that you may be interested in.
    रत्नाकरधौतपदां हिमालयकिरीटिनीम् ।
    ब्रह्मराजर्षिररत्नाढ्यां वन्दे भारतमातरम् ॥

    To her whose feet are washed by the ocean, who wears the Himalayas as her crown, and is adorned with the gems of rishis and kings, to Mother India, do I bow down in respect.

    --viShNu purANam

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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    My dear Islam1,

    Written by a Pakistani journalist about India....... !

    By Dr Farrukh Saleem

    Here's what is happening in India :

    The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.

    In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 bill ion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.
    In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday gift:

    A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not Indias richest but the second richest.
    Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance.. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.

    In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries.
    In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi. [
    magine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.
    For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham.
    Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. Four out of ten Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.
    For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore. India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire). he other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion). Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124).
    We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don't?
    And also to mention: They think of Construction of own nation, unlike other nations who are just concerned with destruction of others...
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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    Quote Originally Posted by isavasya View Post
    Thats the problem, muslims can be cool, but Islam is not cool, When Muslims are in majority then they are not friends, they are devils. and when muslims are not in majority, they are usually trying to get in majority, I do say when such topics come, please do not defend mullas/xians , because it doesnt matters what muslims are, what matters is what Islam is!
    It is a perennial drawback with young minds and pacifists.

    Young minds have not experienced anything "real" to base their opinions on. And for pacifists, it is easy to pretend to be "spiritually enlightened" and take the proverbial moral high ground and do nothing.

    As posted elsewhere, the following video made by Pat Condell - a British stand-up comedian, who in this video is not doing comedy - is worth watching, to get properly educated about Islam. Thank you Pat Condell for being so articulate, and saying so much in so few words. This video, more than any other, needs the most circulation and exposure; to get the truth out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur'an 2:256)
    lol aint this liek biblical small talk?

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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumar_Das View Post
    lol aint this liek biblical small talk?
    Why should it be labelled a small talk? Humans have always had ways to explain away when scriptures point out fallacy in one's thoughts and actions. In all cultures Rajas and Tamas reject scripture when inconvenient and yet resort to it when convenient (including this).

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    Why should it be labelled a small talk? Humans have always had ways to explain away when scriptures point out fallacy in one's thoughts and actions. In all cultures Rajas and Tamas reject scripture when inconvenient and yet resort to it when convenient (including this).

    Om Namah Shivaya
    hello I dont understand what you just said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    This is not Islamic.

    لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىٰ لَا انفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur'an 2:256)
    Evil and good are the most ubiquitous dualities since the dawn of mankind.

    Why does Islam profess its deity as taking the side of the good. In Sanatana Dharma such a way of thinking stopped untill the Rig Veda.

    Is Allah omni-benevolent? I think not.

    As for the bolded part, basically what it says is "whoever believes in this deity, will never be betrayed". Its a very biblical thing.

    "those who put faith in thy Lord Jesus Christ..."

    tis' all m' sayin

    Lets get to it Ramanuja Acharya style.

    Due to the finite nature of sentient beings, they are unable to take care of themselves adequately. Since it is Lord Vishnu, who is not affected by the 3 gunas unlike all the jivas, they have noone else to turn to, for them to depend upon other than He.

    And Goddess Lakshmi, Most Beneficient, whose treasure of wealth is Ever-Bountiful, is the only one capable of providng all the needs to whomever turns to Her. She is Most Sufficient in bestowing all wants and desires.


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    Re: God is only one proved by Hindu holy books

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    This is not Islamic.

    لَا إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىٰ لَا انفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (Qur'an 2:256)

    Namaste Scott,

    Thank you for bringing this verse up. I think a lot of people misunderstand the intention of the Qur'an, because it is so contradictory. The problem in understanding the Quran lies in the fact that these verses are broken down into sections of time in which the verses were 'revealed'. Your quote above shows a nice peaceful verse, but what it fails to mention is that this verse is a Meccan verse. It was before the Muslims came to power. This was before the concept of Jihad of the sword is given. So the Muslims were to be peaceful and that is why there were no warring during this time. After the muslims began to rise to power, the verses for Jihad came through. These verses abrogated some that came before them. Because now a muslim can use compulsion. For an example we have this verse from the Qur'an:

    "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." (Surah 9 verse 29 from Sahih International translation).

    This verse as Muslims scholars of the past have mentioned shows that taking Jihad to the disbeliever who does not believe in Allah or in the Last day is permissible. You see further in the verse that you fight those who were given the scripture until they give Jizyah willingly. So people think that there is no compulsion in Islam, until they understand what this implies. That means if I am Mr. Muslim Army and your a Christian or Jewish army. I call you to Islam, if you do not accept my great invitation then you have two choices. Either you fight or you pay jizyah. If you do not pay jizyah you will be fought and if your subdued you will be forced to pay Jizyah to the Islamic ruler. Thats only for those who are given the scripture though. The rest of us who follow Sanatana Dharma are either to convert or be killed. The only exception given to this is the Hanafi school of thought which is what allowed the Taliban to allow Hindus to live as long as they paid Jizyah.

    In conclusion I would say that compulsion is a part of Islam. The verse you cited cannot be used in defense of it as we have seen it is not an accurate portrayal. I ask that anyone who wants to know of Jihadis and terrorist are right in their religious understand of Islam to read Surah 9 with commentary from one of the early scholars. If one is to argue that the periods of verses are later innovations, then they would be further lost by many readings in the Qur'an that make no sense whatsoever unless you understand the context and time it was 'revealed'.

    Om Namah Shivaya

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    The way I see it is that all Hindu Gods are symbolic for a singular God and each God that we read in scriptures were inspired by sages and they expressed God into storys with different personality's etc.
    one can definitely feel connected to nature and God in the Sanatana Dharma path.
    There's more freedom and peace in Dharma which is why so Many people are turning towards that path.

    The Torah is the reason why rabbi Jesus got killed and hence, they only did what was right in there book. So we can see that the abrahamics is a danger to us all even for a Jew or Muslim woman who is getting stoned for following her animal instincts.

    Whereas in Dharma we get to work on our instincts and become a better person spiritually and be in peace. Both Gods in bible and Quran needs to turn to Dharma and learn from us and we can learn from them =D as long as they don't threat us... -_-

      
               
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