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    Namaste Orlando,

    Traditionally, all Nāgas reside in the Jhāṛā Akhāṛā, which they know as Ānanda; and after Śaṅkara (c. 850), they were gradually organized into various formally established Akhāṛās.

    There are now seven Śaiva Akhāṛās ~ Ānanda, Nirańjanī, Junā, Āvāhana, Aṭala, Nirvānī, and Agni.

    There are also Vaiṣṇava Nāgas, who began establishing Akhāṛās (c. 1650) in imitation of the Śaiva system.

    There was a great massacre of Vaiṣṇava Nāgas by disgruntled Śaiva Nāgas at Nāsik in 1690, and another battle at Haridwār in 1760 that left 1,800 dead.

    There is now a kind of truce between the Śaiva and Vaiṣṇava Nāga Akhāṛās, although both parties are always kept well separated at Kumbha Melās !

    Very few Nāgas actually go totally naked outside their Āśrama, except at the time of Kumbha Melā.

    Very few Nāgas care to understand any foreign language, and most true Nāgas have no desire to meet “foreigners”. So, unless you know some Hindi language and have a reasonably functional understanding of orthodox Hindu Dharma, an encounter with a Nāga could be disappointing.

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    Aren't Nagas monists? Then what exactly are Shaiva and Vaishnava Nagas? And what are they fighting for?

    The battles appear scary.
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    Namaste Sudarshan,

    The following lines quoted from just one of your recent posts.
    Majority opinion is convincingly in favour of Vaishnavism.

    Shaivism finds lesser support than Vaishnavism in the Vedas.

    Many neutral authorities have no doubts in classifying Shankara’s commentary as a far fetched one and beyond the scope of the sutras, and against the very word of sutras.

    Shankaracarya refers only to Vishnu wherever he addresses Saguna Brahma. This is undeniable.

    There is rarely anywhere in his works he ever refers to Shiva, leave alone use superlatives.

    He based his authority on Vaishnava Puranas rather than on Shiava Puranas.

    His bias towards Vaishnavism is not questionable to somebody who views his works impartially.

    Shaiva Puranas are classified as Tamasic, and Shankara must have accepted this as well.
    I would invite you to repeatedly insist on such things before a Shaiva Naga equipped with sacred weapons ~ and perhaps you could add that it is surely most appropriate for Vaishnavas to bathe before Shaivas at the Kumbha Mela, because that is what Shankaracarya would have intended.

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    All Dashanami Sannyasins receive a sacred Mahavakya from their Acarya at the time of Samavartana, and the very suggestion of perversions such as “attatvamasi” for “tattvamasi” is highly offensive to Sannyasi tradition.

    If Vaishnavism depends on the ideal of “Thou art NOT That” and (just like Islam) cannot tolerate anyone who understands otherwise, then the massacre of Vaishnava Nagas (who never even existed before the British arrived in India) is quite understandable!
    :6804382843:

    Shaiva Sannyasins and Muslim Sufis had become fairly well reconciled during the time of Islamic rule in India. The Christian authorities of British occupation in India, however, saw Shiva as Satan and Krishna as Christ, and I suspect that the sudden rise of militant Vaishnavism was instigated by the East India Company and covertly supported by the subsequent English Christian rulers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabhanga
    All Dashanami Sannyasins receive a sacred Mahavakya from their Acarya at the time of Samavartana, and the very suggestion of perversions such as “attatvamasi” for “tattvamasi” is highly offensive to Sannyasi tradition.
    Are you suggesting that Vaishnava Nagas were followers of Madhva line of thought? I know of no other tradition that does this. But it is just another opinion, and Madhva is quite intelligent to find complete basis in the scripture. I have seen Madhva interpreting tatvamasi as well, in another place. His goal was to oppose all forms of monism, strict or relaxed versions of it, and that includes Vishistadvaita too. He just exercised his basic rights as a philosopher - freedom of thought.

    But there is absolutely nothing in his teachings that promote any physical violence. His modus operandi were the traditionally accepted forms of debate, in which all schools have indulged in - not just Madhva. Madhva did the same that Shankaracharya did in his times. Srivaishnavas never had a global program, and hence are primarily confined to the state of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka, where it originated, though many other later movements of Vaishnavism base their teachings on Srivaishnvism rather than on Madhva.( very few Hindus would concede that there is a second entity to God)
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    Re: Informations about Nagas

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudarshan
    ( very few Hindus would concede that there is a second entity to God)
    why would hindus think there would be a second entity to god? but we do have the trinity.
    do vaishnavas believe in the trinity? just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by satay
    why would hindus think there would be a second entity to god? but we do have the trinity.
    do vaishnavas believe in the trinity? just curious.
    Yes, Vaishnavas have a trinity, which go by the name of Sankarshana, Pradyumna and Aniruddha, which correspond roughly with the standard Hindu trinity of Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu. Above these trinity is Vasudeva( Para Vasudeva).

    These four forms of Narayana, are the same as the quartet mentioned in the Mandukya Upanishad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarabhanga
    Namaste Sudarshan,

    The following lines quoted from just one of your recent posts.

    I would invite you to repeatedly insist on such things before a Shaiva Naga equipped with sacred weapons ~ and perhaps you could add that it is surely most appropriate for Vaishnavas to bathe before Shaivas at the Kumbha Mela, because that is what Shankaracarya would have intended.
    What is a sacred weapon? Is it some mantra by which I would be cursed?

    I wouln't be afraid to confont such a Naga anyway. Actually, I have contacts with other Advaita sanyasins and discuss and talk with them on many issues

    edited by satay: the rest of your post had nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
    Last edited by satay; 01 July 2006 at 09:57 PM.
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    The Vaishnava Akharas were created in the late 17th century by Shri Balananda, in direct opposition to the established Shaiva Akharas.

    Four (Shaiva) Akharas were founded before 1600 AD ~ i.e. the Ananda, Niranjani, Juna, and Avahana Akharas ~ with the Atala Akhara formally established around 1650, and the Nirvani Akhara in about 1750.

    The first seven Vaishnava Akharas (Digambara, Nirvana, Nirmohi, Niralambhi, Santoshi, Mahanirvani, and Khaki) became associated with each of the four main Vaishnava sects ~ i.e. Ramanuja’s Shri Vaishnava Sampradaya, Nimbarka’s Namavat Sampradaya, Madhva’s Brahma Sampradaya, and Ramananda’s Vairagya Sampradaya.

    Madhvacarya is considered by his devotees as an incarnation of Vayu, descended particularly for the purpose of opposing the teachings of Shri Shankaracarya. And Madhvacarya simply revived the old teachings of Kumarila Bhatta, which had already been discredited by Shankara 400 years earlier! :metallicblue:

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    Namaste Sudarshan,

    A small portion of the Juna Akhara’s sacred armory is illustrated below.

    And Nagas consider the entire world and all action as the embodiment and effect of Mantra. ALL objects and actions are essentially linked with particular Mantras ~ and no Naga is permitted to use any weapon without knowing the appropriate Mantras.
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