Originally Posted by
chandu_69
No body sees any mention or implication of semen here.Not any Hindu scholar i am aware of. ---Once again no body sees any implication of semen in The Hiranya Garbha description.It is outrageous for anybody to suggest that. ---- That is exactly what i am trying to tell you.Dont degrade or misinterpret any scripture. ----I dont understand why you think muslim scholars are degrading their own scriptures.
He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman.
Namaste chandu,
I-ii-1: There was nothing whatsoever here in the beginning. It was covered only by Death (Hiranyagarbha), or Hunger, for hunger is death. He created the mind, thinking, ‘Let me have a mind’. He moved about worshipping (himself). As he was worshipping, water was produced. (Since he thought), ‘As I was worshipping, water sprang up’, therefore Arka (fire) is so called. Water (or happiness) surely comes to one who knows how Arka (fire) came to have this name of Arka.
I-ii-2: Water is Arka. What was there (like) forth on the water was solidified and became this earth. When that was produced, he was tired. While he was (thus) tired and distressed, his essence, or lustre, came forth. This was Fire.
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That is what I said. Those who want to see semen as the source of creation cannot see beyond and do not see the tapas of consciousness as the source of water (happiness) gushing forth.
In deep sleep there is nothing whatsoever, except the person as pure consciousness. What happens in the waking state is a picture played on the pure consciousness and most of us take that picture as the reality. The semen and the egg and all biology come within that picture. To this erroneus waking state picture of the 'body as the source of bliss' are bound all pasus, without exception.
Brahma Sutra relates the sperm cycle, as if. Through rains come down souls to plants. Semen is then formed in bodies upon eating the food and that semen is deposited in females. But all this is in waking consciousness.
But the same person in deep sleep attains the state of pure consciousness called Pragnya Ghana, wherein He is alone. From this Pragnya Ghana emerges the Taijjassa -- the dream state, which is the bridge to the waking state, wherein the joy is equated to gushing forth of semen. But actually the bliss is the Pragnya Ghana, which is ever present.
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The physical man who comes from the semen is limited. But the Purusha who knows the Pragnya Ghana is full, wherefrom all states are.
"The Nightly Visitant"
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
"86.1": I swear by the heaven and the comer by night;
"86.2": And what will make you know what the comer by night is?
"86.3": The star of piercing brightness;
"86.4": There is not a soul but over it is a keeper.
"86.5": So let man consider of what he is created:
"86.6": He is created of water pouring forth,
"86.7": Coming from between the back and the ribs.
"86.8": Most surely He is able to return him (to life).
In the above verse, as in the Brihadaraynaka verse, there is no semen (I klnow you will be sarcastic).
There is no soul (truly there is no soul in deep sleep).There is only the star of piercing brightness who is a keeper of All (truly only the Turya is the keeper of the Pragnya Ghana. And truly He is like thousand suns risen together).
When there is no soul but only the keeper of piercing brightness, there surely is no female and no male to copulate and semen to gush forth. What gushes forth is water, also called consciousness- Narayana in Vedanta parlance.
From the Pragnya Ghana, God returns All souls.
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I know that nothing will satisfy you. And, ironically, while criticising all that is in Islam, you will quote Muslim scholars in support of your hypothesis.
Just like 'The Dead Sea of unlimited riches' is mis-interpreted by the Jew intellectuals as the physical dead sea that contains, according to the so-called scholars, precious salts, the some other scholars fail to see ""86.3":The star of piercing brightness; "86.4":There is not a soul but over it is a keeper. "
And that is my point all through. The scripture is Devi. But perverted scholars do introduce blemish, cause hatred to rise, colour that which is Guna free as sectarian. I request you to please pause and consider, and desist being sarcastic. I am not talking of politics at all.
Water is Arka. But Arka is Fire.
That is the beauty of scripture, for those who ponder. For the bearded war mongerers the beauty goes into hiding. Their goals are not spiritual, or Self Realisation or upliftment of all but something else.
Om Namah Shivaya
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