There are two points of discussion here between us in the ongoing bigger thread theme that seeks to provide biblical proof that Jesus is God. Obviously the thread concept is to prove a relationship such as trinity although not including the holy spirit as part of this discussion in the OP.
I joined in the discussion to relate the function of the Christ as evidence reflecting that Jesus was placed for a specific purpose on this earth by the force of God to accomplish restoration of what was lost in Eden. Jesus as a faithful sinless man could accomplish manifesting God’s righteousness in the provision to allow mankind a way to approach God and subsequently accomplish an everlasting salvation. The point is self-evident to those of some perception. If Christ was to act as a mediator between man and God than he certainly is not the God to whom he presents the request for mercy.
Now following my initial presentation in post 65, Kris asked my response to a typical trinity argument in that I had said "He was raised by God not by his own power." My next post, amply clarified the temple was indeed those ones that were considered a “house or temple built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus as the foundation cornerstone.” Next were verses specifically stating Jesus was raised up by God. That of course is a simply enough presentation to establish the simply truth. However, because some people are confused in their minds as to the nature of Jesus before, during and after his earthly sojourn the verses become something unnecessarily complex, convoluted in their minds.
So then two points of trinitarian confusion come to the forefront. The erroneous idea the a dead person can raise himself from the dead. Secondly in the John verse that Jesus as God is a physical body in his temple of his physical body, which is the nonsensical argument going on here. How convoluted is that, as it makes no sense.
Scripture repeatedly states God raised up Jesus. So any misconception as to how Jesus was raised to life is without question. No where does the bible state that Jesus was the God that was raising himself up. Only through mental manipulation inspired by past Babylonian philosophy are such erroneous precepts conceived.
Jesus presented the concept that the temple was his disciples and thereafter in prophetic comment allowed the world to know he would cause to be raised up, this temple, that he had begun building. If the Jews were to destroy the temple by his death, his faithfulness and loyalty to his God would warrant the firm re-establishment of that temple including himself as the foundation cornerstone for his “God to inhabit by spirit.”
Obviously his disciple did not understand the prophetic fulfillment of his word until later times following his death. It is my belief that they did not fully understand the matter until the first key of the kingdom was used on the day of Pentecost following Christ’s death
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John 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU.
So, thereafter, these anointed understood the covenant for a kingdom and their authority to function as the source of God’s now established true form of worship.
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Originally Posted by
bookworm
I'm glad that in Post 84 you acknowledge that, upon my further consideration, I now properly have read with understanding your statement of belief regarding the nature of the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Unfortunately, the position you take is not in accord with the meaning of "resurrection" as it is used in the Bible; therefore, you do not meet the requirements specified in Romans 10:9, 10, which is a very dangerous position to remain in! I urgently suggest you carefully reconsider your position, and correct it, for to be mistaken here on this point means to forfeit all.
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Romans 10:9-10 For if you publicly declare that ‘word in your own mouth,’
that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.
Now who is it that is saying God raised Jesus from the dead as Lord? That is my public declaration here while all the time you deny that God raised up Jesus and contend Jesus raised himself. I would think your threats of condemnation in which you point a finger really reflex that the rest of the fingers on that hand point toward yourself.
Now, bookworm, you want to divert to a
resurrection of a discussion on
resurrection in which you believe you have understanding. To
resurrect these matters requires our mental perception that we are
resurrecting a matter of judgment and thereafter may find a need to
raise up a conclusion. Do you understand my play on the words. If you do not then it would be a perfunctory, non-productive exercise. Study the Greek words in this verse.
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1 Corinthians 15:13 If, indeed, there is no
resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been
raised up.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do YOU not know that YOU people are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in YOU? 17 If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] YOU people are.
1 Corinthians 6:14 But God both raised up the Lord and will raise us up out of [death] through his power.
1 Peter 3:18 Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.
Ephesians 1:22-23 He also subjected all things under his feet, and made him head over all things to the congregation, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills up all things in all.
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The wicked is a ransom for the righteous one; and the one dealing treacherously takes the place of the upright ones. - Proverbs 21:18
Originally Posted by Znanna
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