Open Letter

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... from Indian Mujahideen

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4365020/indian-mujahideen

We call you, O Hindus, O enemies of Allah, to take an honest stance with yourselves lest another attack of Ibn-e-Qasim sends shivers down your spines, lest another Ghauri shakes your foundations, and lest another Ghaznawi massacres you, proving your blood to be the cheapest of all mankind! Have you forgotten your history full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult? Or do you want us to repeat it again? Take heed before it is too late!

No Hindu religious or political leader has ever presented the urgent siguation in a message so clearly!!

Maybe we should become Muslims.

-Enjoy.

[Indra]

India should get rid of all muslims within its borders.

[saidevo]

Here is some ghastly info from a mail I received about some contexts in the textbooks prescribed for the Islamic schools in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Textbooks Incite Hatred & Violence against non-Muslims
by Dr. Sami Alrabaa

Ahmed Al-Sarraf cited in Al-Qabas (June 2, 2007) some passages from a Kuwaiti school textbook taught at the first secondary grade. Here is an English translation of passages from the book, "Jurisprudence", p.38:

Who is, or who is not, punished in a Muslim society:

• A Muslim who kills an apostate or someone who commits adultery against an infidel is not punished.
• If a Muslim kills an infidel or a slave, he is not punished.
• If a Muslim man, father, or grandfather kills someone from his offspring, he is not punished.

A fourth-grade textbook on Monotheism and Religion instructs students:

• "Any other religion other than Islam is invalid (false)." (p.29 )

• "Hate (yakrah) the polytheists and the infidels" as a requirement of "true faith." (p.86)

5th Grade Book: Monotheism and Religion:

• "Every religion other than Islam is invalid." (p.33)

• "It is not permitted to be a loyal to non-Muslims, and to those who oppose God and His Prophet." (p.14)

• "Whoever obeys the Prophet and accepts the oneness of God cannot be loyal to those who oppose God and His Prophet, even if they are his closest relatives." (p.71)

• "A Muslim, even if he lives far away, is your brother in religion. Someone who opposes God, even if he is your brother by family tie, is your enemy in religion." (p.73)

• "Just as Muslims were successful in the past when they came together in a sincere endeavor to evict the Christian crusaders from Palestine, so will the Arabs and Muslims emerge victorious, God willing, against the Jews and their allies if they stand together and fight a true jihad for God, for this is within God's power." (p.75)

• "Jews are the people of the Sabbath, whose young people God turned into apes, and whose old people God turned into swine to punish them." "As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the keepers of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christian infidels of the communion of Jesus." (p.83)

• "The clash between our [Muslim] community (umma) and the Jews and Christians has endured, and it will continue as long as God wills. In this hadith, Muhammad gives us an example of the battle between the Muslims and the Jews." (p.113)

• "Narrated by Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet said, the hour [of judgment] will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. [It will not come] until the Jew hides behind rocks and trees. [It will not come] until the rocks or the trees say, 'O Muslim! O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.'." (p.114)

• "Muslims will triumph because they are right. He who is right is always victorious, even if most people are against him." (p.117)

• "A woman who shows in public any part of her body except that of her eyes will be punished by hellfire by almighty Allah." (p.194)

• "The infidels have established Christian hospitals and clinics and send medics all over the world. As one of the Christianizers said, 'Where you find people, you find pain. And where there's pain, there's a need for a doctor. And where there's a need for a doctor, there's an appropriate opportunity for missionary activity [Christianization].'" (p.163)

• "The infidels have founded many schools and universities in the Muslim world at various educational levels. These include: the American Universities of Beirut and Cairo, the Jesuit University, Robert College in Istanbul, Gordon [Memorial] College in Khartoum, and others too numerous to mention. (p.186)

Teacher's Manual
Grade 5

• Teach that after their death, non-Muslims will be sent to hell. (p.30)
• Quiz: Is it permissible to love the Jews and Christians? Of course no. Explain why. (p.15)

Grade 8

• Command Muslims to "hate" Christians, Jews, polytheists and other "unbelievers," including non-devout Muslims." (p.14)

• Teach that the Crusades never ended, and identify the American Universities in Beirut and in Cairo, other Western and Christian social service providers, media outlets, centers for academic studies of Orientalism, and campaigns for women's rights as part of the modern phase of the Crusades. (p.15)

• Teach that "the Jews and the Christians are enemies of the [Muslim] believers" (p.16) and that "the clash between the two realms "continues until the Day of Resurrection." (p.18)

• Instruct students not to "greet," "befriend," "imitate," "show loyalty to," "be courteous to", or "respect" non-believers. (p.24)

Grade 9

• Define jihad to include "wrestling with the infidels by calling them to the faith and battling against them," (p.25) and assert that the spread of Islam through jihad is a "religious obligation." (p.26) [the word qital, translated here as "battle," is derived from the verb qatala, "to kill," and is virtually never used metaphorically. ]

• Instruct that "the struggle between Muslims and Jews" will continue "until the hour [of judgment]" and that "Muslims will triumph because they are right" and "he who is right is always victorious." (p.27)

Grade 10

• Cite a selective teaching of violence against Jews, while in the same lesson, ignoring the passages of the Quran and hadeeths [narratives of the life of the Prophet, Peace be upon Him, that counsel tolerance. (p.28)

• Teach the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact and relate modern events to it. (p.29)

• Discuss Jews in violent terms, blaming them for virtually all the "subversion" and wars of the modern world. (p.30)

• "Give examples of false religions, like Judaism, Christianity, paganism, etc." (p.66)

• "Explain that when someone dies outside of Islam, hellfire is his fate." (p.67)

It is worth mentioning that over 20 Saudi schools, chaired by the local ambassador from Saudi Arabia, are located throughout the world: in Bonn, Berlin, Washington, Algiers, Ankara, Beijing, Djibouti, Islamabad, Istanbul, Jakarta, Karachi, Kuala Lumpur, London, Madrid, Moscow, Paris, Rabat, Rome, and Tunis.

And you can find some of the above stuff in many school textbooks in all the Arab Gulf countries, Egypt, Kuwait, The United Arab Emirates, Qatar, and Jordan. Fourteen-year- old boys' and girls' brains are stuffed with intolerance, animosity towards other religions and their followers.

What does all that imply in terms of the war on terror?

The war on Islamic terror will remain futile unless the free-world forces Saudi Arabia and the other oil-producing Arab countries to remove hatred and violence from their school textbooks. For winning the war on terror, the root cause of Islamic terror must be rooted out. Inciting hatred of infidels is not an internal issue of Muslim societies, is no freedom of speech. It impacts all of us and the world peace at large. The West must use all its leverage vis-�-vis these states to achieve this goal if it truly wants to win the war on terror.

I’m also pretty sure that the more and more Muslims around the world, who read the Koran thoroughly, many more of them would turn their back to Islam. According to a recent survey by Berlin University, 13% Muslim men have read the Koran, and only 7% women.
Many Muslims around the globe, in particular non-Arabs, do not understand the Koran which is written in an old archaic Arabic. They learn about Islam from what their imams preach.

(This article first appeared in familysecuritymatte rs.org)

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a sociology professor and Arab/Muslim culture specialist. He is the author of Karin in Saudi Arabia, which recounts harrowing treatment of women in Saudi Arabia amongst whom was Karin, a German woman. Previously, he has taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University.

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Saudi's (which is the birth place and center of Islam) are misguieded and do not understand the true meaning of Islam (although they have been practicing it non-stop for 1400 years in the same way). They should try to understand its true essense from our teachers who have seen it in the light of vedas and realized it talks of same ideals.

[sm78]

No no, saudis are misguided and don't understand Islam (err...they created it and have been practicing it for 1400 years very much the same way). Our teachers and eminent hindu intellectuals have studied Islam in the light of truth and see it no different from any of the other religions. It speaks of love and brotherhood. I am sure sri sri ravi shankar will bring up this points on his next visit to saudi arabia with Prince of the Kingdom of Islam.

[saidevo]

Both in Islam and Christianity, their core religious ideology is superseded by the power politics of their religious and political leaders. Islam and Christianity have always remained under the clutches/crutches of the institution and politics, which has their own checks and balances, so even if a powerful religious leader/politician/king tries to establish the True Light of their core religion, they would simply be deprived of their position and perhaps even eliminated.

The result is that the Muslim commons who are brainwashed by their clergy lose everything in this life and afterlife. The Muslim intellectuals who seek a moderate path are not many or mighty to influence their misguided youth. As against this, the Christian missionaries enjoy a plush and plum life (which is hardly spiritual because of their worldly ways and obsession with conversion), some of them leading a very high profile life enjoying the best international facilities of life and travel.

In Hinduism, we respect our religious leaders but give all our wealth only to the Gods, decorating them with golden crowns and jewels and making them move about in golden chariots. In Islam and Christianity all the devotees' wealth is given only to the institution and its leaders who enjoy them! Perhaps for such enjoyment of power and wealth that they refuse to admit the existence of manifest God in images.

In today's scenario, the oil-reach Islamic countries are unlikely to be disciplined either politically by the might of the US or religiously by the might of Hinduism. Only they can destroy or save themselves. It is more or less the same case with Christianity.

Islam and Christianity rule the world over today under the political systems of autocracy/monarchy and democracy at their worst.

[devotee]

Both in Islam and Christianity, their core religious ideology is superseded by the power politics of their religious and political leaders. Islam and Christianity have always remained under the clutches of the institution and politics, which has their own checks and balances, so even if a powerful religious leader/politician/king tries to establish the True Light of their core religion, they would simply be deprived of their position and perhaps even eliminated.

Namaste Saidevo,

Sadly, what you say is the truth !

Regards,

OM

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/4178823.cms

NEW DELHI: A 19-year-old blogger's case could forever change the ground rules of blogging. Bloggers may no longer express their uninhibited
views on everything under the sun, for the Supreme Court said they may face libel and even prosecution for the blog content.

It will no longer be safe to start a blog and invite others to register their raunchy, caustic and even abusive comments on an issue while seeking protection behind the disclaimer — views expressed on the blog are that of the writers.

This chilling warning emerged as a Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justice P Sathasivam refused to protect a 19-year-old Kerala boy, who had started a community on Orkut against Shiv Sena, from protection against summons received from a Maharashtra court on a criminal case filed against him.

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Beware from now on posting anything critising Islam, christianity or its leaders, even in forums like this lest you get criminally prosecuted for defaming a religion or its leaders and hurting other sentiments.

Not policticians or goons, but our highest judicial body says so!

You may wonder what happens to your right to voice of concern in a democratic society and how come the last protector of a citizen's rights (judiciary) can pass such rules fit only for a theocratic society?

I wud say, if you thought India was a democracy, think again.

I don't think SC bench was acting for politicians, but so much protectionism is rampant in our country, soon it is getting to a level where all you can do is keep mum in all situations lest your neck gets on the leagal noose. Meanwhile the millitants, the goons-turned-politicians and all other anti-socials have nothing to bother, since it is the weak who become easy target of lop-side laws.

Baware....

[satay]

namaskar,

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/4178823.cms

Baware....

I am truly speechless!

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namaskar,



I am truly speechless!

Good that you moved to Canada. This country is gradually becoming a chaos of the highest order.

And when I think of it, I cannot but blame so called religious leaders and teachers of hindu dharma who have themselves shunned social responsibility and have been teaching the same for a mellinium. Those who taught otherwise are never referred or their words and deeds are twisted into something opposite. And the dogma of kali-yuga has served as good excuse for everything.

All these discussions on spirituality becomes a big farse when all one is capable is moving one's mouth but unable to get up one's ****. If spirituality makes people more coward, sloth and irresponsible, it deserves to die as it has no real use for humans except stroking one's worthless ego.

Only reason I consider myself a hindu is because of some skeletons of upasana marga is still accessible to us as hindus. But upasana by itself cannot remove the khila that blocks the doors of knowledge for ordinary mortals.

Krishna says, that a human has the option of krama(sattva), akarma(rajas) and vikarma(tamas). All are karma in different disguise, u can work for good, for bad or worse just waste it out. There is no other option.