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    Question First step

    Hi!

    How it is possible to get a deeper knowledge of this beautiful matter?
    Is there anyone of you who is able to recommend me an ancient hindu text to begin the study?
    Thank you for every suggestion you may give me!

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    Re: First step

    Hari Om
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemidora View Post
    Hi!

    How it is possible to get a deeper knowledge of this beautiful matter?
    Is there anyone of you who is able to recommend me an ancient hindu text to begin the study?
    Thank you for every suggestion you may give me!

    Namaste Artemidora,

    there is much to read ....
    Here are a few ideas http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1339

    Also where Jyotish fits in to the 'Ocean of Knowledge' can be viewed here: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1946

    When to start is just as important as what to read... it is interesting you post this request as Jupiter ( Guru) starts his forward march once more. Jupiter as been retrograde for months, then on the 8th of September he started to go forward again.


    pranams
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: First step

    Thank you Yajvan, for all counsels and advices!
    I know, of course, that there is very much to read, learn and discuss also; on the contrary, I will be very pleased if I could submit some questions to your attention, much more if you say that this is the right time!

    First, I've found this statement very impressive:
    "Jyotish is the science of light, and considerd the eyes of the veda"
    Can I ask in what sense this discipline is considered and defined so?

    Another point of great importance is, from my point of view of course, that concerning the relation between the Planets, Gods and their respectives Shaktis and the avatar's of Visnu.
    Recently I've found in Linga Purana (chapter 60) this assertion:
    "It is cited that the planet Mars is Skanda (Karttikeya) the commander in chief of the army of Devas.
    People of perfect knowledge say that Mercury is Lord Narayana.
    O excellent brahmins, the great planet Sanaiscara, the slow-moving Saturn is Yama, the lord of the worlds. The preceptor of Devas and Asuras are the great planet Venus and Jupiter with refulgent rays. They are mentioned as the sons of Prajapati.".
    And shortly before it is said that "The Sun is fire and the Moon is water".
    So, this is a statement causing much wonder!
    As for example: Jupiter is called Guru, because, I think, of Brihaspati; but why the preceptor of Devas is linked with this planet? And why is also linked to Sri Vamana? And is there an element that correspond to him?

    Thank you again for your comprehension!
    Regards!

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    Re: First step

    Hari Om
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemidora View Post
    First, I've found this statement very impressive:
    "Jyotish is the science of light, and considerd the eyes of the veda"
    Can I ask in what sense this discipline is considered and defined so?

    Another point of great importance is, from my point of view of course, that concerning the relation between the Planets, Gods and their respectives Shaktis and the avatar's of Visnu.
    Namste Artemidora,

    These posts will assist you...
    You will see once you get into these posts, you will notice the surrounding posts that offer other knowledge for your consideration.


    pranams
    Last edited by yajvan; 12 September 2008 at 04:40 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

    _

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    Re: First step

    Salutations Yajvan,
    excuse me for my delay, but there is so much to study...
    The posts you have counselled are very important for a more complete view of this matter so complex, and I thank you very much!
    I speak of complexity of this knowledge because, as I've read in this post http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1711 (very striking and remarkable for me!), by means of this ancient lore one that is truly sage and accomplished can knows and gives advices about 'the Way' of everyone; can I say that this lore enables human being to know truly himself and, by this, his/her own path to run along? And is it by this knowledge that man can find his own duty and real nature and realize it?
    On this subject: on the post about Varnas and Graha:
    I've read, some time ago, that what indicates one own Varna in the chart is the position of the Sun (for example: Sun in Scorpio indicates a Brahmin, but Sun in Libra indicates a Shudra; but Libra is ruled by Venus that in the post is remembered as indicating also Brhamin...)- what can you say about this? What really indicates one own Varna and Dharma?
    Exuse me for any imprecision but, as I've said, I'm on first steps...
    Thank you in advance!
    Regards!

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    Re: First step

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemidora View Post
    can I say that this lore enables human being to know truly himself and, by this, his/her own path to run along? And is it by this knowledge that man can find his own duty and real nature and realize it?

    What really indicates one own Varna and Dharma? Exuse me for any imprecision but, as I've said, I'm on first steps...
    Thank you in advance! Regards!
    Namaste Artemidora

    Just a few ideas for your consideration. This knowledge with spiritual experience will unfold one's true Self. That was the notion for the post on the Jyotishi and the 3 eyes. The third eye is spiritual development. This comes not from the instruction of how to read charts and graphs but from the experience of sattā , of Being. There are many HDF posts on this. If you are looking for these HDF Posts, they are found throughout. If you request some ideas on reading material let me know. The point to be made - the Jyotishi has to develop both, the skills and understanding of this science and the development of the SELF. They go hand-in-hand.

    Regarding dharma... the D9 chart is called the navamsa ( or 1/9th division) chart. It is also called dharma-amsa, or the divisional chart on dharma. Here you will find a wealth of knowledge. The ṛṣi Jaimini points to this 1/9th divisional chart quite often in his work called the Upadeśa sūtras. This is not entry level reading, but is in-depth knowledge and an extention of the sage Parasara muni.
    FYI Only - this HDF post talks of th 1/9th divisional chart and vargottama: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...84&postcount=5


    As you mention varṇa, ones profession is seen by the lord or the varṇada langa , so says Jaimini in the 4th chapter, 1 pada of his work.
    The Sun (surya) plays a role no doubt, as the sun says how ones spends their 'light' e.g. day, but that is one thing the sun contributes to. You will find, multiple conditions are at work and no one thing tells the whole story for the native. Each graha ( ~ planet) also plays its role: Brahmins are represented by Jupiter, the businessman or vaisya by Mercury and Venus, kśatriya by Mars and Sun, sudra by śani ( Saturn), etc. this is called out by Jaimini-jī .

    Yet to start your studies here would be un-rewarding if you are new at this...

    pranams
    Last edited by yajvan; 25 September 2008 at 11:47 AM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

    _

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    Salutations!
    I'm very grateful for your help...I must admit that what is the most charming thing, for me, in this study, is the mutal development of both, the ability to read signs in charts and the spiritual wealth that must be found out and that must support it: one without the other is impossible. Graphs in a chart are signs and signs can be explained only by those who are sages, sages are those who know the Self: this is a shared law.
    But I have a question (perhaps off-topic I fear...): if the third eye is the spiritual development, the others two...what are they? Who is the Sun? Who the Fire and the Moon?
    If you have in mind some reading material that can be fruitful for my investigation in this matter, I will be very glad to can search them!

    You say that each Graha contributes and plays a role; what can be said when more than five Planets are found together? i.e. if the Sun, playing its role in a chart, is surrounded by the other Grahas, what is its indication for the native in pointing out the Varna? And its Dharma? (exuse me, if I ask for the same question again...)

    After all, even if I've started following my instinct, I must said that I've found a very precious spring of knowledge..as you had said! From what now I must begin again?
    I thanks you for all your advices.
    Regards!

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    Re: First step

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemidora View Post
    Salutations!
    I'm very grateful for your help...I must admit that what is the most charming thing, for me, in this study, is the mutal development of both, the ability to read signs in charts and the spiritual wealth that must be found out and that must support it: one without the other is impossible. Graphs in a chart are signs and signs can be explained only by those who are sages, sages are those who know the Self: this is a shared law.
    But I have a question (perhaps off-topic I fear...): if the third eye is the spiritual development, the others two...what are they? Who is the Sun? Who the Fire and the Moon?
    If you have in mind some reading material that can be fruitful for my investigation in this matter, I will be very glad to can search them!

    You say that each Graha contributes and plays a role; what can be said when more than five Planets are found together? i.e. if the Sun, playing its role in a chart, is surrounded by the other Grahas, what is its indication for the native in pointing out the Varna? And its Dharma? (exuse me, if I ask for the same question again...)

    After all, even if I've started following my instinct, I must said that I've found a very precious spring of knowledge..as you had said! From what now I must begin again? I thanks you for all your advices.
    Regards!

    Namaste



    The right eye is that of the Sun, Surya. This is the eye of dharma - that which upholds or holds together. The Jyotishi performs actions that uphold righteousness and the support of an evolutionary cosmos. He/She sees theses impulses of nature in ones chart, and has befriended this creative impulses, the grahas.

    The left eye - is that of the moon, Chandra. This is is the development of compassion and empathy. This is opened for the native that approaches the Jyotishi. The Jyotishi is there to assist. Viewing the native with the left eye and right, a decision is made on how to proceed ( or not proceed).

    The ajna - Is that of divine sight. It is that of Agni. What is developed is Ritambhara prajna - or that which only knows the truth ( originally said as unalloyed , unblemished truth). This brings the spiritual dimension, in depth, to the Jyotishi's capability and comprehension. This knowing the truth is not that of opinion, or based upon recalling a fact or figure from a book, but the absolute truth based upon consciousness that pervades this universe. This allows the Jyotishi to have the highest level of viveka (discrimination) when discerning ones chart. To see what is relevant, true and best for the native. This is called viveka khysti or the ultimate discriminative knowledge i.e. insight and cognition.


    Regarding 5 graha-s together.
    Please consider these two books:
    1. Aspects in Vedic Astrology - by Pandut Gopesh Kumar Ojha and Pundit Ashutosh Ojha
    2. Three hundred Important Combinations - by B.V. Raman


    Yet that said, if you have not considered reading Brihat Parasara Hora Sastra - the works of Maharisi Parasara , this would be a good place to start. There are multiple copies. I use the the books ( there are 2 volumes) by Girish Chand Sharma, published by Sagar Publications.

    When would be an Excellent day to start reading this ? This month in about 9 days, vijaya dasami.

    pranams
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: First step

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    Namaste Artemidora,
    One more consideration. When we look to this great science , it has six limbs or anga's as outlined by Harihara:

    Jataka - natal or janma kundali, looking to the karmas of past , present, and in some cases future actions, results/friuts and penalties.
    Gola - astronomy as we know it - the 'music of the spheres'
    Nimitta - Omens and the like
    Prasna - forecasts/predictions based upon charts erected at the time of questioning, incidents, etc.
    Muhurta - timing of events - 'best time to ....'
    Ganita - movement/calculations , planet positions within the heavens

    thought that may help.

    pranams
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: First step

    Hello,
    It has been some time since I came to the site.It was interresting to read the Jyotish forum.
    Considering that this thread says First step,I am taking first step for some of my (personal) Queries.
    In our family,My father and his two brothers were into astrology .Though they were (I can say ) well versed in it,for family matters they used to consult a family astrologer. Now that our family astrologer has passed away as also my father and his brothers,I would like to know ,how I can get to know/approach an astrologer who can guide us ? It has been some time (years ) since I went to an astrologer and I would like to go to a person who can guide us suitably.

    Is it true that one should not look into horoscopes frequently?

    Also,can some one explain the Nadi jyosyam ?

    Thanking in anticipation,
    Pranams.

    Sringeri.

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