Re: daivayoga, chance, karma & fate
hariḥ oṁ
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Namasté VC,
Originally Posted by
vcindiana
Dear Yajavan:
The word equanimity, which is beyond Gunas, does not mean to completely ignore the Gunas, good or bad, but to put all these on the table. I do not think all knowing God gave us Gunas without purpose. There is no life without Gunas.
Let me see if I can explain the notion offered by Kṛṣṇa. His directive (vidhi) is not an intellectual concept that is to be accepted or rejected by the mind, as if one was picking a political view on an issue. It is a reality of Awareness thay gets established within ones Being - that is why He says yogastaḥ kuru karmāṇi.
you write
The word equanimity, which is beyond Gunas, does not mean to completely ignore the Gunas
I do not see 'equanimity' in this śloka. Nor do I see it in the 45th śloka. The offer and direction is to be beyond them, established in
ātmavān ( the SELF, Brahman) , per sloka 45.
VC, it is not a question of the guna's being on or off the table - it is the state of Being in which the guna-s no longer inhabit ones behavior that push and pull the mind.
This level of Being is not an intellectual concept ( I mention again) , nor a mood where one can choose ' I like this, I think I will reject that in this concept ' - it is a new Reality that dawns and the guna-s no longer have their sway over the sadhu.
This is what ( IMHO) I think you may be missing. It's not a philosophical concept to be accepted or rejected. Once one is possessed of the SELF, the guna-s do not control the person. Kṛṣṇa is telling us this is most desirable. Why? moha¹ is gone. One is free from duality ( brought by the guna-s), without anxieties ( chapter 6,18th śloka, free from cravings) , yet filled with the Supreme.
you write
There is no life without Gunas
The guna-s act within themselves - they continue. But for the person established in the SELF 'there is no action he need to do' (chapter 3, 17th śloka. What does this mean? we can address it later.
What I believe you may be missing , you are NOT the body. The body is a bundle of flesh, bones, etc. that are managed by nature (the 3 guna-s are the ambassators). Kṛṣṇa is quite clear about this... He says in Chapter 2, 12th śloka - There never was a time when I was not, nor you, nor these rulers of men. Nor will there ever be a time when all of us cease to be. VC, your body is consumed by time and goes to the wind, yet the ātman ( the SELF, Brahman) is never lost, as it was never born.
This is who you really are and it is not part of the 3 guna-s (ever).
If you miss this point, then the core value of Bhāgavad gītā is lost in words.
praṇām
words
- vidhi विधि- a rule , formula , injunction , ordinance , statute , precept , law , direction
- moha मोह - bewilderment , perplexity , distraction , infatuation , delusion, error
Last edited by yajvan; 21 April 2009 at 05:49 PM.
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