Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God

[satay]

Jesus is an empowered incarnation of God.

His message is no different to the message of Krishna in the Bhagavada-gita, it is simply presented in a different way to a different audience. The principles of Bhagavad-gita were spoken to Arjuna and to other highly elevated persons. They were highly advanced compared to ordinary persons in other parts of the world. Two plus two is a mathematical principle that is true both in the beginner's arithmetic class and in the advanced class as well. Still there are higher and lower mathematics. In all incarnations of the Lord, therefore, the same principles are taught, but they appear to be higher and lower in varied circumstances. There are many dictionaries on the market and they are all factually dictionaries but one may be a small pocket dictionary and another a large international version. Both are dictionaries and contain essentially the same information, however, the depth of knowledge is different.

http://www.krishna.org/sudarsana/a005.html

[Ablaze]

"incarnation of God" - do Hare Krishnas believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, like the Christians?

[satay]

I don't know but there are a number of ISKCON members here on HDF so hopefully someone will answer this.

[grames]

Jesus is accepted as incarnation of Lord by Gaudias and his original teachings ( unadultrated paulism - Teachings of Jesus with out the label christianity) are conveying the same message as Gita but in at a different level of abstraction and language.

[Sri Vaishnava]

Calling Jesus an avatar was one of Srila Prabhupada's conversion tactics. In a letter to his own non-white disciples, he reveals that he considers Jesus a jivatma.

Please, even great Mahadevas like Brahma and Siva are not equal to Vishnu. Why would a no-name Prophet from a cult that was popularised by the Roman Catholic Church be an incarnation?

Lord Buddha though, was an avatar not only because of His philosophy (which, on closer inspection, ties with the message of Lord Krishna), but also because He used the concepts of Dharma and Karma, as well as deriving from Vedic Texts.

The Abrahamic Religions speak of a tyrannical God and a Philosophy that cannot even be counted as a Nastika School of Thought, but a rather immature Philosophy, dominated by the Heaven and Hell concept.

[sarabhanga]

Namaste Sri Vaishnava,

Every Jivatma is a veritable incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

[Sri Vaishnava]

Yes, but that doesn't make us equal to Him. His Avatars are those that are only mentioned in the Texts.

Lord Buddha and Lord Rishabhadeva, the founders of Buddhism and Jainism are Incarnations.

So, major Religions which caused an impact, should be mentioned in Bhagavatam or other Puranas. Obviously, Christianity has made an Impact, but Jesus is not mentioned. Because those Religions are Non-Vedic and Man-Made. Jainism and Buddhism have truths in them, in contrast, albeit an incomplete truth.

Jesus believed in the Abrahamic God who threw stones at Women and Children and killed innocent First Borns. He was no God.

The way to Moksha is through Vishnu. Either you claim Lord Vishnu is supreme, or keep silent on who God is. Lord Buddha and Lord Rishabhadeva chose the latter. But Jesus and the other Prophets did not say Vishnu is supreme or that there exists truth in the Vedas. They believed in the Abrahamic God. So they should not be counted.

The life of Jesus is based on Pagan Myths. There is no proof that he ever did all that was said.

Accepted, every Jivatma is a manifestation of Vishnu. That would mean, Jesus is a normal human like us. In fact, going by the theory of Reincarnation, anyone of you could have been Jesus in a past life.

[yajvan]

Hari Om
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The way to Moksha is through Vishnu. Either you claim Lord Vishnu is supreme, or keep silent on who God is.

The life of Jesus is based on Pagan Myths. There is no proof that he ever did all that was said.

Accepted, every Jivatma is a manifestation of Vishnu. That would mean, Jesus is a normal human like us. In fact, going by the theory of Reincarnation, anyone of you could have been Jesus in a past life.

Namste Sri Vaishnava,
you speak with passion and conviction... I am happy for you that you are well grounded in your beliefs. Many if not all on HDF have great respect for Visnu, but have chosen a different Istadevata as Supreme.

Many here on HDF have various views on this matter and most notably speak openly about the notion of ones Ishta. While we recognize your suggestion to 'be silent on this matter' there is no intention from us to do so , so please do not be disapointed to see us talking of Siva, Rudra, of the Divine Mother, or of Sri, Brahman and the like.

The life of Jesus is based on Pagan Myths. There is no proof that he ever did all that was said

What if he did 1/2 or 1/3rd or 1/64th of what he said, does that change anything? Is it quantity? or Quality? Any one that says I and my Father are One, I must respect. If this does not pass your litmus paper test, that is fine, yet there are others that may think differently.

'He alone is the best devotee who sees his Adored One everywhere. For the devotee of Vishnu the Lord is omnipresent. He should see Lord Vishnu even in the images of Shankar, Devi, Ganesh and Surya etc. Likewise a devotee of Shankar, Devi etc. should visualize his Adored One omnipresent.' Sri Brahmananda Saraswati , Sankarachara of Jyotir Math between 1941 to 1953.

I am in hopes your passion and commitment bring you to the door of moksha rapidly and to the feet of Visnu.

pranams,

[satay]

namaskar sri vaishnava,

Calling Jesus an avatar was one of Srila Prabhupada's conversion tactics. In a letter to his own non-white disciples, he reveals that he considers Jesus a jivatma.

Do you have access to this personal letter of srila prabhupada? Please share if you do.

Please, even great Mahadevas like Brahma and Siva are not equal to Vishnu.

I will ignore this statement for now and encourage you to read the site rules listed under FAQ section.

Lord Buddha though, was an avatar not only because of His philosophy (which, on closer inspection, ties with the message of Lord Krishna), but also because He used the concepts of Dharma and Karma, as well as deriving from Vedic Texts.

I would like to have a discussion with you on this if your time permits in a separate thread.

Jesus believed in the Abrahamic God who threw stones at Women and Children and killed innocent First Borns. He was no God.

Do you have a source that I can check to confirm this.

I wasn't aware that jesus actually threw stones at women...where does it say that?

[Haridas]

I personally don't believe in Jesus mostly because of the documentary "The God Who Wasn't There".