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    Re: Discussion about God with Buddhist

    "Pure" Buddhists may not believe in a God. But in many areas, Buddhism has absorbed elements of the local culture, including gods. This is especially true with Chinese and Thai Buddhists. Chinese Buddhists have made the Bodhisattva Avalotikeshvara into Guan Yin, the Goddess of Mercy, a mother Goddess figure to whom many Chinese pray. In Thailand, whose state religion is Buddhism, there are shrines to a number of local Gods, to whom people make offerings. Hindu Gods are also found in some of these shrines.

    Here is one in Bangkok with a statue of Lord Shiva.


    So "pure" Buddhists may not believe in God, but many Buddhists make prayers and supplications to a variety of different Gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    "Pure" Buddhists may not believe in a God. But in many areas, Buddhism has absorbed elements of the local culture, including gods. This is especially true with Chinese and Thai Buddhists. Chinese Buddhists have made the Bodhisattva Avalotikeshvara into Guan Yin, the Goddess of Mercy, a mother Goddess figure to whom many Chinese pray. In Thailand, whose state religion is Buddhism, there are shrines to a number of local Gods, to whom people make offerings. Hindu Gods are also found in some of these shrines.

    Here is one in Bangkok with a statue of Lord Shiva.


    So "pure" Buddhists may not believe in God, but many Buddhists make prayers and supplications to a variety of different Gods.

    Namaste. "Pure" buddhists, as you have defined the term, do believe in god. Some of them. The Vajrayana specifically mandates deity worship. The vajrayana is a subset of mahayana, which is the counterpart of hinayana or therevada. About 6% of buddhists are vajrayana buddhists.

    The deities used in Vajrayana are mostly imported Hindu ones, and likened to tattvas.

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    Re: Discussion about God with Buddhist

    Buddhism has become very popular, but it's only useful to give some peace of mind to people who are not fortunate enough to be part of Sanatana Dharma. We don't have the need to debate with other people or to manipulate them in conversion, because we know that if people don't naturally feel attraction towards Hinduism, they are undeserving to be part of it. It's better for them to become Buddhists, Taoists or New Age followers. Our shastras do not ask us to be violent against disbelievers, like the koran and the bible does, but it asks us not to enclose the secrets of our dharma to people outside of our faith. There is a certain level of elitism in Hinduism that we need to respect. It would be wrong to quote verses from the upanishads and the bhagavad gita in debate with buddhists. They do not have the same śradhā and therefore do not have the adhikāra to hear about our scriptures.
    Last edited by Sahasranama; 07 June 2010 at 02:01 PM.

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    Re: Discussion about God with Buddhist

    Quote Originally Posted by Sahasranama View Post
    Buddhism has become very popular, but it's only useful to give some peace of mind to people who are not fortunate enough to be part of Sanatana Dharma. We don't have the need to debate with other people or to manipulate them in conversion, because we know that if people don't naturally feel attraction towards Hinduism, they are undeserving to be part of it. It's better for them to become Buddhists, Taoists or New Age followers. Our shastras do not ask us to be violent against disbelievers, like the koran and the bible does, but it asks us not to enclose the secrets of our dharma to people outside of our faith. There is a certain level of elitism in Hinduism that we need to respect. It would be wrong to quote verses from the upanishads and the bhagavad gita in debate with buddhists. They do not have the same śradhā and therefore do not have the adhikāra to hear about our scriptures.
    I agree with you 100%.

    Our differences

    Also arguing with the a buddhist about God is like trying to raise a man who is in a storey beneath you while you are above him, and your floor is his ceiling which is completely sealed.

    You cannot raise him to where you stand because he lives in a void devoid of God.

    Nastikas residence is a reality based upon a lack of belief in God.

    When you debate with them, it destroys what he believes.

    Your reality is his delusion. His reality is your delusion.

    Just one point. We believe that God is the Cause of all causes. Whatever symptoms that manifest in this universe is operated by God.

    They on the otherhand completely disbelief in this.

    So what's the point in arguing?

    Our similarities

    We both believe in "live and let live".

    We both have a sympathetic view of everyone else even if they might be harsh on us. And we both believe in Dharma.

    A follower of Sanatana Dharma may study and take certain aspects of Buddhism while maintaining his Theistic position. An enlightenment of the Self. Then proceed on further to acquire enlightenment of the Transcendent Reality.

    I dont see anything inherently wrong or detrimental about Buddhism.

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    Re: Discussion about God with Buddhist

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    "Pure" Buddhists may not believe in a God.
    Greetings Scot

    Buddhist have many sect
    do you know, Theravadin will said they is pure
    Mahayana will said they is pure
    Tantrayana / Vajrayana will said they is pure!

    so your term of pure is relative.

    Vajrayana and Mahayana absolutely have doctrin of Baghavan or Vairocana or Samanthabadra Tathagata.

    why Vajrayana will said they is pure ?
    Because they believe what Buddha teach in Vajrayana is not teach to Theravadin, because Buddha tech different peoples.
    Vajrayana believe , Buddha was teach Theravadin (who absolutely reject to respect or bow to god and goddess and then claimed they is not have personal God form, they only have Nirguna aspect , that is Nirvana)
    Vajrayana believe Theravadin people will cannot understand about high teaching about Vajrayana , so Buddha has teaching Three kind of Yanas.

    Hindu also have this kind of matter,
    like XXX sect believe they is have pure teaching
    like XXX sect believe other sect is lower teaching for lower intelect of peoples etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    But in many areas, Buddhism has absorbed elements of the local culture, including gods. This is especially true with Chinese and Thai Buddhists. Chinese Buddhists have made the Bodhisattva Avalotikeshvara into Guan Yin, the Goddess of Mercy, a mother Goddess figure to whom many Chinese pray.
    Female Guanyin is not made by Chinesse.
    Female Guanyin absolutely a one form of Avalokitesvara as Tara Avalokitesvara and Pandaravasini Avalokitesvara, and this teaching is from India.

    Why Guanyin's face like chinesse people ?
    Scott, not only Guanyin, even Sakyamuni Buddha is become chinesse in face.

    Hindu also have this , like Brahma - Vishnu and Shiva, in Indonesia become like Indonesian peoples.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    In Thailand, whose state religion is Buddhism, there are shrines to a number of local Gods, to whom people make offerings. Hindu Gods are also found in some of these shrines.
    We see in Buddhist Tripitaka,
    all of god and goddess is absolutely from Hindu.
    Even Theravadin also believe the existence of Brahma etc...



    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    So "pure" Buddhists may not believe in God, but many Buddhists make prayers and supplications to a variety of different Gods.
    Scott what your wrote here will make many Buddhist fell slandered.

    I have hear my Many ISKCON friends talk about Buddhist, they talk about non sens, why they said Buddhists goal is emptiness, zero.

    i dont know where they get this theroy,
    even Theravadin is dont want attain a NIHILISM.

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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    Re: Discussion about God with Buddhist

    I think this "God" term is not aprropriate.

    Many peoples see word "God" is atribute for Jehovah, Allah, or Jesus

    so the wrod GOd kan make many missunderstanding here

    you talk wich God ?

    because Christian - Moslem - Jhewish have different theory for this word "god"

    even Hinduism , different sect have different theory about GOD

    we see between ISKCON and Shaivaism , is very different,
    one see Nirguna Brahman as higest god
    one see personal god is highest
    etc

    so many understanding can happen from this word of "God"

    Buddhist Vajrayana called The Truth or The supreme consciousness or the power behind all gods who help to creation to pralaya process
    is Buddha
    is Baghavan
    is Baghavati
    is Dharmakaya
    etc

    so ?

    Buddhist is not believe in creation is mean :
    The creation like abrahamic religion who begining from one point.

    but Buddhist Vajrayana Tripitakas was call Brahma as a creator god , but not from one point. The term creation is just like our parents, they have cerate us, but they also cerated by others. Or created by nidanas

    as far i know,
    many Hindu and Buddhism "sect" is believe the ceration - preserve - and pralaya of this universe and Trisahasra Mahasahasra Lokadhatu and infinite universe

    is beyond alfa and omega

    that is not from one point

    that is from the power of Maya

    you cannot know the "first" point because this is Maya.

    Buddhist (mahayana and Vajrayana) Tripitakas believe many gods who controlled this universe
    like, Brahma, Varuna, Vayu , agni, etc
    but have Buddha behind them
    (this is just like many sect of Hinduism believe, if they is shakta, they believe Shakti is behind Brahma- Vishnu etc. If they is Ganapataya, so believe Ganesh is behind all)


    i have even discuss with Hinayana / Theravadin, have one people said Avalokitesvara who have male and female form is god of transexual (this person was slander Mahayana and Vajrayana)
    this person dont want entering buddhist temple who have Aavalokitesvara statue or other Bodhisattva s statue even this temple is entered by Theravadin monks.

    so this kind of problem is also happened in Buddhist.

    The fanatic blind Hinayana

    they even cannot understand why a Deity have male and female forms.

    so how come you can teach them more about higher teachings ??????

    OM. VAJRA. VISHNUYA. SVAHA
    OM. VAJRA. GARUDA. CALE CALE. HUM PHAT


    OM. AMOGHA VAIROCANA. MAHA-MUDRA. MANI PADMA JVALA PRAVARTTAYA. HUM

    Om Saha Nau-Avatu |
    Saha Nau Bhunaktu |
    Saha Viiryam Karava-Avahai |
    Tejasvi Nau-Adhii-Tam-Astu Maa Vidviss-Aavahai |
    Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih ||


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