Re: Principles I have found...
Namaste All,
I get the drift of what Shri Gupta is indicating. How many policemen really kill to protect others? I feel (and I am reiterating) that it is easy to cite examples from Gita or scripture this way or that way. I acknowledge fully that a strong and clean Police and Army are required. I also agree that a policeman who kills to protect others surely does not attract karma. Such a police man, if killed in action, will surely be granted a high state in heaven.
But the truth is that Guna drives all (Lord says so in the 18th Chapter). Lord also teaches: Whether you like or not, Arjuna, you will be compelled to fight. And Lord personally instructs Arjuna how Self is not the slayer and neither it is ever slayed. That was true of Arjuna. But a common man has no idea of that highest state, where Self does not slay or is not slayed, even if it kills. Gupta ji has said that visvarupa dharshana is necessary. I agree fully, since it must be known that Lord has killed those who are to be killed.
But actually most killings are not examples of selfless duty. They are pre-meditated by crooks. I have seen those who spew fighting spirit in their words, flee first from the scene and innocents are trapped. I have seen politicians of all hues incite tempers and irrationality for their own benefit. Defence deals are business deals and those who moralise also sell largest armament in the world. Despite all the talk of dharma, the illegal armament in India is known to come through Rajasthan. When money starts ruling a country all the high flown ideals are useless. I have seen a close friend migrate to a rabid Muslim country, though he was a staunch believer that Muslims are evil.
The world will be how it is. Without cleansing oneself, the thoughts of seeing evil outside is self destructive, since guna reaction is the continuance of samsara and all karma that bind us.
Kauravas were not destroyed because they killed others. But they were destroyed because they were impure egoists. They demeaned a woman. They, through sly techniques, grabbed what was not theirs. They acted impelled by greed, jealousy and revenge. The main reason was greed for possession, and catalysed by a sense of revenge in Duryodhana at being humiliated by Draupadi.
No doubt that there needs to be a clean and strong Khatriya ruler, guided by wisdom of Brahmana. But for that both inner and outer cleansing is required. Else, a strong military state will just become like Pakistan. Once some people clamoured for full autonomy for Police, Military, and the Secret Services. A wise man queried "Do we want a police state"?
It is easy to say that "I do duty being in Yoga with Lord". But it is not that simple. I agree with Gupta ji that the above is practical for one who has experienced the Visvarupa. Else, who is not driven by bias, prejudice, greed, lust, etc. (including this writer)?
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The thread is way away from the subject it was meant to be. And that is how the world is. It does not follow the dictate of man's ego.
Om Namah Shivaya
Last edited by atanu; 18 September 2009 at 11:09 AM.
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