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    Muslim Women's rights

    Muslim Women's rights

    Unprecedented rights.


    • Muslim women have the right never to associate or even speak to a man who is not related to them by genetics or marriage.
    • Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they associate with unrelated men.
    • Muslim women have the right to be segregated based on their gender.
    • Muslim women have the right to be enslaved by a man they don't love, forced into "arranged marriages" at a young age, against their wills.
    • Muslim women have the right to call their enslaver "husband."
    • Muslim women have the right to obey their enslavers/husbands.
    • Muslim women have the right to endure regular beatings by their husbands.
    • Muslim women have the right to reproduce continually after forced into an arranged marriage and raped against their wills by their "husbands."
    • Muslim women have the right to be denied divorce from violent and abusive husbands.
    • Muslim women have the right to be divorced summarily.
    • On summary divorce they the right not to ask for grounds thereof.
    • Muslim women have the right to lose their children if their husbands divorce them.
    • Muslim women have the right not to marry a non-Muslim.
    • Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they don't cover themselves up.
    • Muslim women have the right to stay out the life-giving sunshine by being forced
      to cover up.
    • Muslim women have the right to become deficient in vitamin D and develop
      osteomalacia from sunshine-deprivation.
    • Muslim women have the right to dress in black so they become overheated in the
      hot desert sun of Arab countries.
    • Muslim women have the right not to be educated. (Pakistan, Afghanistan)
    • Muslim women have the right never to operate a car.
    • Muslim women have the right never to leave their houses without a male relative accompanying them.
    • Muslim women have the right to be gang-raped if they are caught alone on the
      street.
    • Muslim women have the right to be stoned or hanged for being raped.
    • Muslim women have the right to be brutally murdered for "dishonoring" their families.
    • Muslim women have the right to be murdered for leaving Islam.
    • Muslim women have the right to have their genitals cut off.
    Those are the Islamic women's rights! Yes, indeed, what fun to be a woman in the Muslim world!

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    RESPONSE

    When you are able to provide proof from Quran and authentic hadith, then you talk. Your accusations are baseless and without proofs.

    Quran 4:1
    RESPECT THE WOMAN WHO GAVE YOU BIRTH
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    Re: Muslim Women's rights

    Dispute each and every one, itemwise. Then I will tell you the islamic law about it.

    How to exchange wives.

    4:20 And if ye wish to exchange one wife for another and ye have given unto one of them a sum of money (however great), take nothing from it. Would ye take it by the way of calumny and open wrong ?

    Where is the respect? Of course wives' opinions do not count.

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    Funny how most Muslims I've talked to say that Muslim womens' rights are just fine, and don't resemble the tyranny you describe.

    After all, if any of that had truth to it, Islam would have died out long, long ago through rebellion and infighting. In countries where those things are practiced, I imagine rebellion will change it in time.

    I will chalk those things up to culture rather than religion, as you point to a verse in the Qur'an that commands respect for women.

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    Namaste Riverwolf,

    I recently talked to a Muslim woman, who had no problem in proudly admitting, "Men are superior to women" Why do you think she believes this? Part of this is to do with culture, but part definitely has to do with religion. There are verses in the Quran itself giving women a subordinate position to men. Such as:

    Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great! (Sura 4:34)

    Another translation of the same verse reads:

    Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great.

    Women are regarded to be intellectually inferior by Islam. The above verse regards one man to be the equivalent of two women in credibility:

    And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her
    . (Sura: 2:282)

    It is permissable for men to hit women in Islam:

    If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Sura 4:34)

    If you read the Islamic Hadiths they are full of stories where men are hitting women. Even Prophet Mohammed hits his wives.

    In conclusion then, the rights of Muslim women as pointed out by the OP, does have justification in the holy scriptures of Islam itself.

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    Re: Muslim Women's rights

    Many of the things mentioned above do occur in Muslim nations but are not actually Islamic or sanctioned by Islamic law.

    Muslim women have the right to be enslaved by a man they don't love, forced into "arranged marriages" at a young age, against their wills.
    Islamic law forbids women being forced to marry a man they don't want to. However, it does happen.

    Muslim women have the right to endure regular beatings by their husbands.
    This issue is heavily debated by Islamic scholars. The support comes from the Qur'an (4:34):

    "As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance)"

    The words in brackets were added by the translator to convey the message of the original Arabic. The word 'lightly' is not in the original Arabic.

    So we see that beating is to be used as a last resort by the husband after telling his wife off and refusing to sleep with her. Some Muslim scholars say that it is only supposed to be a symbolic beating with a miswak (Arab toothbrush). However, wife-beating does occur in Islamic nations.

    Muslim women have the right to be denied divorce from violent and abusive husbands.
    Islam does allow women to initiate divorce.

    A woman came to the Prophet Muhammad seeking the dissolution of her marriage, she told the Prophet that she did not have any complaints against her husband's character or manners. Her only problem was that she honestly did not like him to the extent of not being able to live with him any longer. The Prophet asked her: "Would you give him his garden (the marriage gift he had given her) back?" she said: "Yes". The Prophet then instructed the man to take back his garden and accept the dissolution of the marriage (Bukhari)

    Muslim women have the right to be beaten if they don't cover themselves up.
    This is not mandated anywhere in the Qur'an or Hadith.

    Muslim women have the right never to operate a car.
    This is only in Saudi Arabia. In Malaysia, where I lived for two years, it is common to see Muslim women driving. There is no Islamic ruling that prohibits women from driving.

    Muslim women have the right to be gang-raped if they are caught alone on the street.
    Again, this is not Islamic. Rape is forbidden according to Islamic law. However, this does happen throughout the Arab world.

    Muslim women have the right to be stoned or hanged for being raped
    Sadly, this does happen, although it is not Islamic at all. In Saudi Arabia, a woman's testimony in court is accepted as "presumption" while a man's testimony is accepted as "fact". So if the rapist says he didn't rape the woman, his testimony is "fact" while the woman's testimony that he raped her is only "presumption".

    Muslim women have the right to be murdered for leaving Islam.
    So do Muslim men. But this doesn't happen in all Muslim countries.

    Muslim women have the right to have their genitals cut off.
    Female genital cutting is not an Islamic practice but an African practice. It is not sanctioned by Islam and is a cultural practice from several African nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riyaaz View Post
    When you are able to provide proof from Quran and authentic hadith, then you talk. Your accusations are baseless and without proofs.

    Quran 4:1
    RESPECT THE WOMAN WHO GAVE YOU BIRTH
    I am not pro Islam, but I'd like to see references too. Often these things are true, but exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverwolf View Post
    Funny how most Muslims I've talked to say that Muslim womens' rights are just fine, and don't resemble the tyranny you describe.

    After all, if any of that had truth to it, Islam would have died out long, long ago through rebellion and infighting. In countries where those things are practiced, I imagine rebellion will change it in time.

    I will chalk those things up to culture rather than religion, as you point to a verse in the Qur'an that commands respect for women.
    Rebellions and revolutions are not initiated by women as a class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottMalaysia View Post
    Female genital cutting is not an Islamic practice but an African practice. It is not sanctioned by Islam and is a cultural practice from several African nations.
    I'm sorry... NOT A SANCTION?

    The Vedas don't speak about beheading babies specifically, so I'm entitled to do it because the Vedas don't outspokenly forbid it?

    Isn't common sense that causing this amount of suffering to another being, forever hindering their bodily functions, would be sanctioned by the law of AHIMSA? Which is (or at least should be) an universal law? God!

    Last edited by Adhvagat; 16 October 2010 at 06:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietro Impagliazzo View Post
    I'm sorry... NOT A SANCTION?

    The Vedas don't speak about beheading babies specifically, so I'm entitled to do it because the Vedas don't outspokenly forbid it?

    Isn't common sense that causing this amount of suffering to another being, forever hindering their bodily functions, would be sanctioned by the law of AHIMSA? Which is (or at least should be) an universal law? God!

    As far as women's rights are concerned Hindus don't have a terrific record either, particularly in some parts of India. The most honerable practice of honer killing has been adopted by hindus of NW india and is implemented frequently. As Hindus particularly those in India, we need to clean our acts in several departments, women's right being one (others being more compassion for society and others, sense of duty, less greed - which is boundless right now among afluent hindus, if you remove greed from motivation to worship tirupati will probably be deserted!).

    Regarding Islamofascism, its better to concentrate on their most pertinent points for us, and that is Jehad and denial of other religions, particularly pantheists the very basics of human rights under Islam. In short the hate that it propagates for other religions. The inside matters of Islamic society is right now best left to themselves.

    It is interesting that most Islamic women don't feel that their treatment is unjust or there is anything wrong with being beaten, raped and sharing a husband with 3 other women, always stay in veil etc. Infact I have seem muslim ladies often quite proud of these things. So outsiders like us raising questions hardly matters untill the brain damaging effect of the faith (and any faith without experience is brain damaging, not just Islamic) are curtailed in that soceity - which we can't do. The best we may try to do now, is save out own culture - at least try to save it.
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