Re: Muslim Women's rights
Originally Posted by
TatTvamAsi
This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Prayers, and that too in Tirupati are not based on greed. Most devotees seek the darshan of Balaji and make enormous efforts to do so despite their poverty and other issues. There are those whose prayers are answered and to fulfill their half of the bargain, come to Tirupati to do penance (angapradakshinam etc.).
Tirumala is the most visited sight of worship in the world as well as the richest in terms of donations. Those who cannot afford even three meals a day try to make it to Tirupati to offer something to Balaji. There is an average of 200k - 300k devotees a day at Tirupati and during festivals, more than 1 million!
Yes, there are those who pray only for self-gain but the act of making a pilgrimage to Tirupati and offering prayers is an act of selflessness and penance in and of itself. Most prayers, not just in Hinduism I might add, are petitionary in nature. Yet, it is only the Hindus who say, "Sarve janaha sukhino bhavantu!" It is only the Hindus who do Yajnas daily to invoke peace for the entire world. While the mlecchas are busy trying to convert and deceive others, Hindus are offering prayers selflessly.
Yes it is the richest in terms of donations.There are different pujas ranging from few hundred bucks to as high as many thousands of rupees (i think it was 40k bucks). And the costliest pujas are booked for decades in advance. And I think nothing is free. So I am not sure how those who can't manage 3 square meals can manage the darshan, but in India people will go to any length to appease the Gods, yet won't do a single thing to develop better human values, so it ain't surprizing.
Minsters looting taxpayers money 365 days a year donate pure gold crowns costing 40 crores, perhaves as a token penance (but to me seems more like a bribe to the lord). And I am not talking of Tirupati alone but all famous shrines where display of money and greed has taken almost epic proportions. Yet one may ask what does they do with this money? In the very hills lord resides on billions of rupees worth of gold, the poor cannot be protected from Christian conversion. Ofcourse govt controls everything, but why then we assume the Lord is in charge of everything? Is anyone bothered? T
rue most of the devotees are ordinary, but they also have to stand in ordinary lines, while those paying more get to stand in special lines. With no money you are out of luck to see the lord. This is abosutely appaling, and how much you want to defend it is not going to change the facts. Every person I know who has been to Thirupati and such shrines went for their desires to be fullfilled.
Artha and Kama are necessary goals for any person, but to many hindu devotees they seem the only goal and they are not ashmed to blatantly display their power of money to get ahead in the appointment with Lord as well! What penance.
This what happens when one only maintains the external decorum of religion and practices but are internally morally bankrupt.
With regards to "women's rights" in Hindu society, things only deteriorated after the PISSlamic conquest of India. To protect the Hindu women, the men married them off at a very young age and in certain instances, forced the widows to commit Sati. Although it was done as an honorable thing as Rani Padmini did, there were certain places were it was forced. It only became really bad during the 18-19th centuries. Rajaram Mohan Roy, among others, fought to vanquish this terrible practice.
I don't know why you need to fall back on pre-history when only 2 days back another women was mudered (now in Rajasthan) for "unlawful" love. In essesnce this is no different from what happens in Iran or Saud country...only its not that rampant, and not state sponsored. Female infanticide is now showing up as terrible sex ratio in the adult population in many states, and you are still dreaming about how Islamism pissed on our culture, ignoring the fact that we are pissing every day on it.
Women are treated far better in Hindu society than anywhere else in the world. Remember, there is no "right" without responsibility. A woman running around naked without restraint is no woman but a beast. Hindu women have the right sense of freedom with responsibility while maintaining traditions. All other societies swing to the extremes of no rights (muslim) or no responsibility (western).
Can you give examples how women in hindu society have been treated better than any other soceity? Please don't fall back 3000 years into pre-history and epic. That don't serve any purpose. I am also bit confused about this responsibility thing. So if a woman is sensually dressed and our dicks respond, its the woman's fault? You will be glad to know this exactly the Islamic sharia logic, and also those so called hindu organizations of modern india.
It is highly irksome when foreigners have the audacity to question "women's rights" of Hindus or Indian society. It is even worse when a Hindu does it.
If we are unable to save us from ourselves, our narrow mindedness and hypcracies, we may as well stop worring about foreigners and "mlecchas", for there is no hope there then.
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