VOID Void void

[atanu]

"quicksand of lies."

Satay, Am I to be flaccid here?

Satay, Is it appropriate to ask for a public apology from Atanu, for his indescretion?

Oh No. I am correct in saying 'quicksand of lies'. It has also been shown in this forum how ISCKON version of Svet. Upanishad translation is a joke.

Please check the sanskrit verse of Gita 8.3

8.3 Aksharam brahma paramam swabhaavo’dhyaatmamuchyate;
Bhootabhaavodbhavakaro visargah karmasamjnitah.

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And examples of such wrong translations are there from every chapter. You are surely flaccid, since an upright man only adheres to truth and nothing but truth.

[bhaktajan]

BTW, ATANU.

Atanu, you are 'opening your mouth'.

The Verse 8.3 begins with words that you consistantly delete "Sri Bhagavan Uvaca" ['Lord God Said']. Coincidence?

çré-bhagavän uväca

akñaraà brahma paramaà

svabhävo ’dhyätmam ucyate

bhüta-bhävodbhava-karo

visargaù karma-saàjïitaù

SYNONYMS

çré-bhagavän uväca—the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; akñaram—indestructible; brahma—Brahman; paramam—transcendental; svabhävaù—eternal nature; adhyätmam—the self; ucyate—is called; bhüta-bhäva-udbhava-karaù—producing the material bodies of the living entities; visargaù—creation; karma—fruitive activities; saàjïitaù—is called.

TRANSLATION

The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: The indestructible, transcendental living entity is called Brahman, and his eternal nature is called adhyätma, the self. Action pertaining to the development of the material bodies of the living entities is called karma, or fruitive activities.

[bhaktajan]

I do not want to be re-miss and neglect to inform everyone:

These postings are some of the most fun I have ever had.

Yee Haa!

~I'm an Old Cow Hand . . . from Vrindavan Land~
~He's an Old Cow Hand . . . from Vrindavan Land~

Thanks for one of the best preaching engagement unsought,
bhaktajan

[atanu]

The Svet. Upanishad says in the 4th Chapter, Verse 4:

niilaH pataN^go harito lohitaaxa\-
staDidgarbha R^itavaH samudraaH .
anaadimat.h tva.n vibhutvena vartase
yato jaataani bhuvanaani vishvaa .. 4..


4. Thou art the dark-blue bee, thou art the green parrot with red eyes, thou art the thunder-cloud, the seasons, the seas. Thou art without beginning, because thou art infinite, thou from whom all worlds are born.

Please see the translation of anaadimat as without beginning.

Now, check Gita 13.13,

Jneyam yattat pravakshyaami yajjnaatwaa’mritamashnute;
Anaadimatparam brahma na sattannaasaduchyate.

Here the IsKCON translators parse anaadimatparam as 'anaadi' and 'matparam', thereby changing the meaning from 'Beginningless Param Brahman' to 'Brahman under my control'.



And to do that the translator had to first eat away the word 'Paramam' from the verse, Gita 8.3 as below:

8.3 Aksharam brahma paramam swabhaavo’dhyaatmamuchyate;
Bhootabhaavodbhavakaro visargah karmasamjnitah.

or
bhagavän uväca (Bhagwan said)

akñaraà brahma paramaà
svabhävo ’dhyätmam ucyate
bhüta-bhävodbhava-karo
visargaù karma-saàjïitaù

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Om

[atanu]

Lies Lies Lies.

http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=4505

Om

[satay]

Hari bol prabhu,

Yes. ASAP.

I am waiting...where is the quote/reference?

[bhaktajan]

Satay,
You will continue to wait.


"Brahman & Void are same thing"---Yes! "Brahman possesses the Void"

May be this will satisfy you:

"Brahman & Void are NOT the same thing"
---Yes! "Brahman and the Void are distinct seperate items"

Brahman is what the Vedas say and The Void is what the science Books say.


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It is new to me that atheists now pose as theists by claiming that the impersonal non-manifest is God.

If I find the Sastric reference for the Nature of the Void . . . I will not share it with you all.

I surrender to you all!

Please disregard the Nature of the Void!

Renounce the Nature of the Void!

Leave the Void behind!

Abandon these thread all about the Void.

Turn your backs to the Void.

Run from the Void.

Avoid the Void!

Never look back at the Void!

----My withholding is my stratergy to conquer the mayavadi's Heart.

I have been waiting since post #1 for someone to post the scriptural reference that the Void is a False Idea.

Instead you challenge me to prove something YOU CANNOT EVEN CONCEIVE OF.

Accept that it is beyond your intellectual capacity.

Just ready Gita eat prasadam & chant Hare Krishna,
Bhaktajan

If you'd like to request that I remove myself & leave HDF because of any reason ---just ask me to do so ---I would be obliged to do so.

[satay]

pranam prabhu,

Satay,
You will continue to wait



If I find the Sastric reference for the Nature of the Void . . . I will not share it with you all.

Is that because you are having difficulty finding the exact reference? As a student of sanatana dharma, I am keen to learn of the reference.

It is our culture here on HDF that we try to support our statements by providing scriptural references. If there is no reference, then it is just the poster's opinion. of course, there is nothing wrong with posting your opinions as long as it is stated that those are your own personal opinions.

ps:Off topic, you have correctly judged me as an atheist. I was a atheist in a previous life, vasana of that life still lingers. On the other hand, asking for a reference doesn't make one an atheist.

[satay]

best advice I have received in months...

Just ready Gita eat prasadam & chant Hare Krishna,
Bhaktajan

[satay]

Admin Note

As this thread is going on an on without any value to HDF members I think it is best to close it. However, if discussion relating to 'void' still shows up elsewhere on HDF, I would like to bring that discussion over here, purely from a 'keeping it together' point of view.

if any member feels that we should keep this thread open, please let me know.

Thanks,