Re: Īśvara's participation...
Pranam Yajvan ji and all
Nice discussion is flowing, I see mainly from Bhagvat Gita, I am sure others can join us from using other source of information not that I am complaining because I find Gita to be great source of information and some what easy to follow.
Originally Posted by
yajvan
Yes, He abides in us all - to this I agree fully. Yet does He intervene? Do he choose another action for a person other then the one that would have occurred via the natural flow of karma ?
It is said, not even a blade of grass moves without His knowing… of this I have no doubt. Yet if the blade of grass was to bend from North to South, would Īśvara at times choose it to bend a different direction or not at all under the influence of the wind? Many would say the bending from N to S is perfect, and within the laws of nature - why would He intervene. Sure this makes sense, but only offered to exemplify a point and that is His active participation in this world.
This is at the crux of my query.
Although I find in everyday scheme of things he does not intervene or does he? but in extreme circumstance he does as it has been pointed out by Devotee ji, bg. chapter 4 from time to time he does advent to bring the balance.
I also feel it is he, who gives us the knowledge to overcome obstacles when we are lost in this darkness of existence, although we later give our self the credit, yet I wonder many times in my case, how did I do that.
He is our chetya guru within and when we deserve or sincerely desire he sends the Guru externally to transcend this dukhaliyam, the abode of misery.
When devas and danavas got together to churn the ocean it was lord Hari who acted as pivot and we all know what would have happened were it not for Lord Shiva to drink the poison.
He answers the prayers, so that could be another form of intervention.
Story of Gajendra comes to mind.
And then he says this
To those ever steadfast devotees, who always remember or worship Me with single-minded contemplation, I personally take responsibility for their welfare. (9.22)
I give the knowledge, to those who are ever united with Me and lovingly adore Me, by which they come to Me. (10.10)
I like this one, so karuna sagar is more active then we think.
Out of compassion for them I, who dwell within their heart, destroy the darkness born of ignorance by the shining lamp of knowledge. (10.11)
I swiftly become their savoir, from the world that is the ocean of death and transmigration, whose thoughts are set on Me, O Arjuna. (12.07)
Jai Shree Krishna
Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.
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