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    What Is Astrology?

    As per India astrologer and science related to astrology, each of the planets symbolizes confident energies, and also releases definite magnetic and electric fields, which manipulates the human lives in positive or negative way.

    Its said that the horoscope is havens map at the time and place of an individuals birth which indicates the planets position and its relation to the one who is newly born. Vedic astrology deals with the science that studies the joint power of these planetary bodies on the human being.

    As per Vedic astrology and its astrological language, the planets indicate:

    1. The activities performed in previous lives.

    2. The manner in which they are thus likely to be executed in the present life.

    The astrology houses of chart tells us about the exact areas in life in which actions will be performed, and which will be strong or weak depending on the nature and situation of planets that influence them.

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    Namaste edwerd,


    Thank you for your post on astrology. Do you have an opinion you wish to offer on jyotiṣ (jyotish)? Do you see them as the same, similar or different?

    Are you of the opinion that the planet's ( called grāha¹ in jyotiṣ) influence is via magnetic and electric fields as you mention and that is the main motivator or vehicle they use?

    From where does this 'intelligence' come that sets up this system of cause-influence-and-effect? Any opinions you wish to share?



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    grāhaka ग्राहक- one who seizes or takes captive ; from grāha ग्रह- seizing , laying hold of , holding i.e. a grāhaka ~seizes~ or influences the circumstances of the native.
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    Re: What Is Astrology?

    You know, I've always wondered about what to do with Indian astrology. On the one hand, my mother has told me stories about how her mother's astrologer predicted all kinds of things with great accuracy. However, as an astrophysicist I have been trained to understand the heavens from a scientific point of view, and the explanations that astrologers give me about how their predictions work smell like the same pseudoscience that we find in creationism, homeopathy, and other such things.

    If I may ask, what is the origin of Indian astrology? Does it have any basis in Hindu Scriptures, or is it just a cultural characteristic of India?

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    Re: What Is Astrology?

    Jyotish is the eye of the Veda's. Astronomy astrophysics and the like are just smaller parts of astrology. Ancient books like the Surya Siddhanta dealt with astronomy among other things.

    A good question has been raised - How do the planets influence behaviour on Earth? - First it must be cleared up that there actually is an influence from the planetary world. The prevalence of the Navgraha in Hindu myth and ritual shows that the older forms of Hindu society were formed along lines that aimed at a harmony between earthly and planetary levels. In other words older society and civilization used planetary influences consciously to uplift society. If we a priori take that the universe is interconnected, no thought is seperate, all interpenetrates everything else, then the being of planets can affect us. Yes each planet is a living sentient being like a human but a being of a different quality. Someone explained astrology like this, when two human beings pass in a street there is a tension between them, when two planets pass they create a tension, due to their magnitude this tension is felt on Earth as wars destruction etc. Why this tension is felt can be explained by looking at the human machine. A thought or a feeling influences the environment around the person who feels. A person in a black mood will bring down the environment around him. The same thing occurs on a different scale with the planets/.

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    Namasté

    Quote Originally Posted by amra View Post
    Jyotish is the eye of the Veda's. Astronomy astrophysics and the like are just smaller parts of astrology. Ancient books like the Surya Siddhanta dealt with astronomy among other things.
    Arma-jī offers a nice insight, 'the eyes of the veda'. Jyotish (jyotiṣ) is considered the science of light. Jyotis is defined as light (of the sun , dawn , fire , lightning). If we say trī́ṇi jyótīṃṣi , then we are dealing with the 'light' appearing in the 3 worlds , on earth , in the intermediate region , and in the sky or heaven

    Jyotiṣ (jyotish) falls under vedāṅga or a limb (aṅga) of the ved. We know there are 6 limbs called out.¹

    From my POV (what I have been taught) there are 3 approaches to jyotiṣ one might want to consider:


    • The concept - the pañca mahābhutā
    • śatapatha brāhmaṇa - what it tells us
    • All things are connected in this universe
    This can be reviewed here on this HDF post, if there is interest :
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26814&postcount=2

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    6 limbs of vedāṅga
    1. śikṣā - phonetics, sandhi rules ( joining) and phonology
    2. vyākaraṇa -grammar
    3. nirukta - etymology, word origins ( my favorite )
    4. kalpa - ritual/yajña (properly performed and to whom for what ends)
    5. chandas - meter ( i.e. beat, count) for proper chanting; sāma ved as example
    6. jyotia - astrology and astronomy . The focus dealing with the auspicious days for performing sacrifices; also with one's birth, trends, life events, etc. Some call this the science of light.
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    Namasté

    Arma-jī insight's continue...
    Quote Originally Posted by amra View Post

    A good question has been raised - How do the planets influence behaviour on Earth? - If we a priori take that the universe is interconnected, no thought is seperate, all interpenetrates everything else, then the being of planets can affect us.
    ... and this is supported by the wise:

    sarvasarvātmakatā vapuḥ - everything (sarva) is the form (vapuḥ) of everything else (sarvātmaka)… Abhinavagupta-ji, from Parā-trīśikā Vivaraṇa

    If one wishes to go deeper and further into this idea, the Chāndogya Upaniṣad, Chapter 8 will be worth the read.

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    Namaste,

    Astrology is mistakenly understood as a cause-and-effect relationship between the celestial bodies' positions/movements with the events and activities life on earth (and elsewhere).

    As Yoga VasiSTa states, there is NO cause-and-effect relationship at all. Rather, astrology is the study of self-similarity in the universe. As nothing really happens independently, anything can be 'mapped' to something else, although seemingly unrelated (kAkatAliyA).

    Some very interesting things to consider are:

    1.) NASA consults astrologers for important events such as shuttle launches etc. (how do I know? Well, my relative worked at NASA and has met these 'consultants'! )

    2.) In finance, options trading was greatly influenced by some seemingly unrelated equations dedicated to rocketry and their trajectories! This perfectly elucidates kAkatAlIya!

    This self-similarity in the universe can be understood only by those who have transcended the 5 senses and can tap into the subtle nature of the universe. Astrology cannot be understood from a 4-D spacetime understanding. That is why many 'rationalists' call astrology pseudoscience! Hah! The irony!

    Namaskar.

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    Namasté TTA

    Quote Originally Posted by TatTvamAsi View Post
    As Yoga VasiSTa states, there is NO cause-and-effect relationship at all. Rather, astrology is the study of self-similarity in the universe.
    This view offered depends on one's level of consciousness. A simple experiment may help. Take a match and light it. Place your finger in the flame. What occurs? Do this 100 times, 1,000 times; what occurs? From your point of view and experience you are burnt. You have experienced cause-and-effect.

    Vāsiṣṭa-ji brings a view on what this universe is, consciousness and not two... who gets burned and who is doing the burning takes two. For Vāsiṣṭa-ji there is no 2, for a cause-and-effect to occur.

    So, this is all about knowledge being different in different levels of awareness or consciousness.

    I am very impressed by what you said,
    astrology is the study of self-similarity in the universe
    yes, well said. The wise say, 'as above so below'. The things that occur in the cosmos also occur ( in miniature ) within us. Why so? The universe extends itself in us, in all beings. We are of the same-stuff ( tattva-s or that-ness).

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    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: What Is Astrology?

    Astrology explores the meaningful connection between mankind and the wider cosmos, the relationship between the movements of the planets and the inner world of human consciousness and motivation. Astrology is the method by which a total stranger may detect how you tend to perceive the world, over time.The signs, planets, and aspects combine to give an individual a filter through which he will view his circumstances and react to them. Hopefully this site will help you find true guidance....
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    namast terrence109


    Quote Originally Posted by terrence109 View Post
    Astrology explores the meaningful connection between mankind and the wider cosmos, the relationship between the movements of the planets and the inner world of human consciousness and motivation. Astrology is the method by which a total stranger may detect how you tend to perceive the world, over time.The signs, planets, and aspects combine to give an individual a filter through which he will view his circumstances and react to them. Hopefully this site will help you find true guidance....
    What are your opinions of Western astrology vs. jyotish? Do you see any differences or similarities?

    praṇām
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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