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    Religious phobia

    Pranam Atanu ji
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    Here in Britain they have a remembrance day, just that they don’t forget, the world wars. No one accuse them of Nazi phobia.
    Jai Shree Krishna

    Namaste Ganeshprasadji,

    Yes, we must remember the horrors of Nazism -- a deviant form of religion, based on a personal sense of righteousness and grandeur. But do we condemn all Germans?
    Yes that I s a good question, try wearing a swastik you will find your response. ask an older person i have had this answer 'only good German is a dead one'. I admit it is a minority because young people have no ideas of world war and thus the remembrance day

    Besides German as a nation apologized, they have denounced the Nazi doctrine, do we hear such apology forth coming, from those so called followers of peace, of heinous crime against Hindu’s, have they changed their design or goals?

    Please do not make excuse for them looking through Vedic colour eyes. I have seen no peace with a Muslim, as an individual (i have had good friends)as a Human we all have good or bad but as a Muslim there is nothing but turmoil, a struggle.

    Quote Originally Posted by sant

    i had spoken to a young muslim member who was thrown out of the forum and he couldnt beleive that muslims are worng and they forcefully convert people.
    And that makes it all right, because he choose to remain ignorant.

    his psychology is that hindus hate muslims and they are bewildered by satan.
    Now how does it become the fault of such a person.
    And you see no fault in that!

    We are satan that is ok? Yes

    Its no surprise that even we could have been muslims or christians in an earlier life.
    And therefore I should not speak against it even if it is wrong. Yes?

    On what bases are you sure? I am extremely surprised that you should say it. In fact you are condemning both this religion by default.
    If I was a Christian I should be in haven saved by the saviour.
    Or else I should be with 72 virgins.

    Either you are correct or these religions, you cant have it both way.


    Muslims believe in surrendering to the will of allah just like hindus surrender to guru.
    No questions asked.
    There is one small difference they have no choice, I have, in fact asking questions to guru is a must.

    Now you can have a bad guru or bad kuran it is your luck.
    But there is bhakti in both even if it may be tamasic in nature.
    Luck has nothing to do with it, guru by defination is one who dispels darkness, if that is not the case he is no guru.

    If by any chance you are referring to kuran bhakti as tamasik please clarify.

    Jai Shree Krishna
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    And that makes it all right, because he choose to remain ignorant.
    Maybe yes but it is difficult to beleieve at once that your religion which you have given your life to can be faulty.
    And you see no fault in that!

    We are satan that is ok? Yes
    You are smart that is why it is not his fault.
    You just said he is ignorant.
    So if one does something in ignorance what do you call that?
    I am wrong in saying there is no fault of his but since you are smart brother and know the vedic truth hinduism you would know sir there is no point in just playing the blame game.

    And therefore I should not speak against it even if it is wrong. Yes?
    No sir speak as you want.
    Have you tried speaking ill against them in a muslim forum?
    There is one small difference they have no choice, I have, in fact asking questions to guru is a must.
    but Guru's aagya is Guru aagya.If your guru will tell you jump down the cliff many guru bhakts will do it.
    Becasue guru is considered god.Even though he may be wrong.
    uck has nothing to do with it, guru by defination is one who dispels darkness, if that is not the case he is no guru.
    How do you know which guru is right or wrong.
    If your parents have told you all your life this is right person to listen to would you not beleive it?
    I called Bhakti of kuran tamsic as per the lines that promote violence and asuric values.I may be wrong.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganeshprasad View Post
    Pranam Atanu ji
    i have moved the discussion here
    Yes that I s a good question, try wearing a swastik you will find your response. ask an older person i have had this answer 'only good German is a dead one'. I admit it is a minority because young people have no ideas of world war and thus the remembrance day

    Besides German as a nation apologized, they have denounced the Nazi doctrine, do we hear such apology forth coming, from those so called followers of peace, of heinous crime against Hindu’s, have they changed their design or goals?

    Please do not make excuse for them looking through Vedic colour eyes. I have seen no peace with a Muslim, as an individual (i have had good friends)as a Human we all have good or bad but as a Muslim there is nothing but turmoil, a struggle.
    Namaste Ganeshprasadji,

    No more entry into the Political section for me. (I do not want to begin another hot thread by countering that Hitlerism and Islamism are same).

    I just wanted to put one question: German as a nation apologized, since they were fully defeated. The Master of the theory commited suicide. Would there be apology had the cult continued? Can anyone effect that with all Muslims, except God (if He wills so)?

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    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Pranam Atanu ji

    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    Namaste Ganeshprasadji,

    No more entry into the Political section for me. (I do not want to begin another hot thread by countering that Hitlerism and Islamism are same).
    Well that is your choice.

    No one is saying they are same, but the history is witness to some off the heinous crime against humanity and that is their common link.

    Deny that if you like but the Jews will never forget their pain and the Hindus will be fools to ignore it.


    I just wanted to put one question: German as a nation apologized, since they were fully defeated. The Master of the theory commited suicide. Would there be apology had the cult continued? Can anyone effect that with all Muslims, except God (if He wills so)?
    No, that would be my simple answer.

    thank goodness for allied forces.

    With Muslims I see two possibilities, one, if everyone stop pretending that everything is hunky-dory,
    two if they themselves renounce violence and seek that peace they so greet to each other and learn to extend that to all of humanity.

    His will is influenced by our will, make no mistake with that.

    Jai Shree Krishna

     
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    Re: Religious phobia

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    Quote Originally Posted by SANT View Post
    Maybe yes but it is difficult to beleieve at once that your religion which you have given your life to can be faulty.

    .

    I don’t know what you are getting at but hey, that is nothing new
    You are smart that is why it is not his fault.
    What?

    You just said he is ignorant.
    Please don’t put words in my mouth, it was your statement that implied his ignorance, to which I responded.

    So if one does something in ignorance what do you call that?
    Ignorance is no excuse, but then I am glad you agree they are in ignorance.

    I am wrong in saying there is no fault of his but since you are smart brother and know the vedic truth hinduism you would know sir there is no point in just playing the blame game.
    I appreciate your honesty here, believe me there is no game here, if we don’t wise up to their stated goals, then I am afraid it is game set and match to them.



    No sir speak as you want.
    Have you tried speaking ill against them in a muslim forum?
    And what do you want me to say? that according to Sant ji, I was Christain or Muslim in my previous life, and since your doctrine was wrong I am now born as Hindu.

    Seriously I have no desire to engage with them, because it would be futile.
    But I feel the onus is on those Hindus who think all the religion are the same, to impress on them to at least recognize Hindu Dharma or else there is no need for this one sided appeasement, it does no good to our well being, it sends wrong signal to our children and those weak in knowledge of Shastra to easily fall pray to this devious organisation.

    but Guru's aagya is Guru aagya.If your guru will tell you jump down the cliff many guru bhakts will do it.
    No Guru gives such aagya, if he does he/ she is no guru. idea of Guru Chela is to seek the truth, not falling off a cliff.

    Becasue guru is considered god.Even though he may be wrong.
    There is no blank cheque for any one, one is better off without a guru who may be wrong.
     
    How do you know which guru is right or wrong.
    That is why there is Guru, Sadhu and Shastra they all speak the same language.


    If your parents have told you all your life this is right person to listen to would you not beleive it?
    Off course I would as a child but when I am able to make my own judgement I make my own choice. This is the beauty of sanatan dharma it has this inbuilt free will.

    I called Bhakti of kuran tamsic as per the lines that promote violence and asuric values.I may be wrong.
    You have no argument from me on this.

    Jai Shree Krishna
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Sir tell me what is your view on islam and what should we do?

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Pranam Sant

    Same as yours really, Tamsik.

    It was born out of violence, spread on the strength of sword, and look everywhere around you,still in turmoil.

    Nothing for us to do, just don't spread the lies that their goals are same as Vedic. Don't fall pray to their lies.

    In due course of time, hopefully they will self destruct

    Jai Shree Krishna
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Be clear, do you not believe muslims pray to god.
    I beleive allah can be related to shiva or durga.
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=4925
    Last edited by SANT; 10 December 2009 at 09:19 AM.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Pranam

    Quote Originally Posted by SANT View Post
    Be clear, do you not believe muslims pray to god.
    everyone does even an atheist does in the form of Kal, frankly i would prefer a Redindian in his simple prayer.
    In your own admittance theirs is a Tamsic worship, so i dont know why we are having this conversation.

    I beleive allah can be related to shiva or durga.
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=4925
    and if your belief is correct then worship of Shiva or Durga is also Tamsik, now where have i heard that before?
    Thankfully of many names of Shiva/Durga Alah is not one off them.
    besides no Muslim would pray to Shiva or Durga so who are you trying to convince?
    Jai Shree Krishna
    Rig Veda list only 33 devas, they are all propitiated, worthy off our worship, all other names of gods are derivative from this 33 originals,
    Bhagvat Gita; Shree Krishna says Chapter 3.11 devan bhavayatanena te deva bhavayantu vah parasparam bhavayantah sreyah param avapsyatha Chapter 17.4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah
    The world disappears in him. He is the peaceful, the good, the one without a second.

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    Re: Religious phobia

    Did you look at the video?
    The crescent moon ,the shivling at mecca,the bhavishya puran.
    The tamsic shastras of kali .

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