Fake gurus and organizations.

[kshama]

kshama: Other answers will vary, but this is how I see it. Of course the aspirant has to seek a bit. But the individual guru-disciple relationship isn't there until the Guru puts his seal of approval on it, so to speak. He can do this directly himself, or he can appoint others who may be able to do it for him. Regardless, the guru has to accept the devotee as a student. A lot of people like to wander about claiming they are followers of this guru or that guru because its cool or has political gains or whatever, and they haven't even lifted one book of the guru's or even met the soul. I think a good point of reference is if the living Guru knows you by name. But then that's just me, having observed what is called guru-hopping in the west. A wandereer/seeker sticks with a guru until the guru gives a direction or a discipline that the seeker doesn't like and then, instead of bucking up, the seeker just moves on to another one, and this procedure more or less repeats itself every 5 years or so.

Aum Namasivaya

Vanakkam Eastern Mind Ji,

Thank you for your views. What you say does happen nowadays, including to the ones I know.

If literally, people take the statement the "guru will find you" there will be agitation in the minds of people-to seek or not to seek a guru? There are so many good organizations everywhere, but the saying, "the guru will find you" will make people apprehensive to even go out and meet a guru.

Saidevo Ji has a point too, when he said if one hurries, there are chances one can be at the wrong place.

Thank you for your views once again.

[devotee]

Namaste Kshama,

Now that this thread has again come back on rails, I think it is safe to post here again !

If literally, people take the statement the "guru will find you" there will be agitation in the minds of people-to seek or not to seek a guru? There are so many good organizations everywhere, but the saying, "the guru will find you" will make people apprehensive to even go out and meet a guru.

This statement, "Guru will find you" is to be understood very carefully. It doesn't always mean that the Guru will be wandering about looking for you. We all have unique spiritual vibration attached to our "self" (having a definite identity) which keeps attaining a new level through our spiritual efforts. Now this vibration (our) after a attaining a certain level ( after croosing a certain threshold) tries itself to bring closer to higher spiritual vibrations (spiritual souls/Guru's) which resonate well with our vibrations. This creates chances to meet, the urge to look for a True Guru. And when the meeting takes place, the vibrations resonate so well that you have no doubts that He is the Guru you were seeking all along ! Guru, on the other hand, also identifies that This is the worthy disciple ! Guru's main task is to help seekers find the Truth ... ordained by God Himself. His incarnation is solely for that ! The Mahaavataar Babaji, one of the greatest Gurus, is stated to have refused liberation (at the request of some of his disciples) & is still roaming in human form in the Himalayas for last more than 5000 years & has been seen by some of the great saints in Kumbh fairs which he normally visits to help the seekers. So, let's have no doubt that our all prayers ... all austerities ... our all satsanga, japa of mantras ... meditation etc. are getting lost in vacuum with no one to keep an account for all that. No, God is watching & having an account of it all. After reaching a certain threshold when there is a need of a Guru to guide further, Guru will appear by the grace of God.

There may be circumstances when you have not spiritually achieved a certain threshold to find a Guru then even if you come close to such a Guru in his physical form, you won't be able to surrender yourself to him completely & even a True Guru found may be lost ! It is not important to find a piece of diamond ... it is very important that you know what a true diamond is like, so that you understand the value of the piece you are handling. A piece of diamond in the hand of an ignorant person is no more than a stone !

OM

[kshama]

Namaste Kshama,

Now that this thread has again come back on rails, I think it is safe to post here again !



This statement, "Guru will find you" is to be understood very carefully. It doesn't always mean that the Guru will be wandering about looking for you. We all have unique spiritual vibration attached to our "self" (having a definite identity). Now this vibration (our) after a attaining a certain level ( after croosing a certain threshold) tries itself to bring closer to higher spiritual vibrations (spiritual souls/Guru's) which resonate well with our vibrations. This creates chances to meet, the urge to look for a True Guru. And when the meeting takes place, the vibrations resonate so well that you have no doubts that He is the Guru you were seeking all along ! Guru, on the other hand, also identifies that This is the worthy disciple ! Guru's main task is to help seekers find the Truth ... ordained by God Himself. His incarnation is solely for that ! The Mahaavataar Babaji, one of the greatest Gurus, is stated to have refused liberation (at the request of some of his disciples) & is still roaming in human form in the Himalayas for last more than 5000 years & has been seen by some of the great saints in Kumbh fairs which he normally visits to help the seekers. So, let's have no doubt that our all prayers ... all austerities ... our all satsanga, japa of mantras ... meditation etc. are getting lost in vacuum with no one to keep an account for all that. No, God is watching & having an account of it all. After reaching a certain threshold when there is a need of a Guru to guide further, Guru will appear by the grace of God.

There may be circumstances when you have not spiritually achieved a certain threshold to find a Guru then even if you come close to such a Guru in his physical form, you won't be able to surrender yourself to him completely & even a True Guru found may be lost ! It is not important to find a piece of diamond ... it is very important that you know what a true diamond is like, so that you understand the value of the piece you are handling. A piece of diamond in the hand of an ignorant person is no more than a stone !

OM

Namaste Devotee Ji,

Thank you for your views. Your words makes the confusions in aspirants like me vanish and evoparate away. A piece of diamond in the hand of ignorant person is no more than a stone.... that's so true...

[lighthouse]

Kshamaji
Best is to wait for a day till Guru calls you rather than chasing him and I can tell you that such day comes in our life if we are indeed in search of a genuine guru.
Ishwar cannot live without his bhaktas and same goes for Guru,he too cannot live without his followers,if he is genuine he must be pure and satvik with a real devotion towards God and always ready to teach us what we want to(must be fair in his views),there is no harm to ask questions to him,do not shy asking and if you feel that your queries have been answered fully then wait for the day till he calls you.
Sadly there are many fake so called gurus around with full of egos,you are right.

[kshama]

Kshamaji
Best is to wait for a day till Guru calls you rather than chasing him and I can tell you that such day comes in our life if we are indeed in search of a genuine guru.
Ishwar cannot live without his bhaktas and same goes for Guru,he too cannot live without his followers,if he is genuine he must be pure and satvik with a real devotion towards God and always ready to teach us what we want to(must be fair in his views),there is no harm to ask questions to him,do not shy asking and if you feel that your queries have been answered fully then wait for the day till he calls you.
Sadly there are many fake so called gurus around with full of egos,you are right.

Namaste Lighthouse Ji,

Thank you for your views.

[satay]

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