Thanks to you also, because I get an opportunity to go through the glorious verses of Bhagwatam, Geeta and Caitanya Caritamrta again and again. Krsna is sprinkling his karuna on me and he is making you nimitta.
Even if you give a prataksa-pramana for this, I will simply reject it right from the scratch. Why? Because I know that anything which is spoken independently of the 4 disciplic successions simply does not have any valueI shell try once again to prove this verses you quote can only be interpolation, I doubt that you will accept even if proof is beyond reasonable doubt simply because you can not think out side of your box.
Let me make it clear so that there is no confusion Puran means
पुराण puraaNa adj. old पुराण puraaNa adj. ancient
it is glories history of Bharat
(Please read 4 disciplic successions mentioned in Garg Samhita, you can search on google too).
Sri Ved Vyas narrated this Puran well before Budha’s birth - Absolutely correct.That is why I asked what time point of time Lord Vishnu instructed Lord Shiva? to that you answer sometime between Budha birth and Adi Shankracharya
Fact, Sri Ved Vyas narrated this Puran well before Budha’s birth, this is enough as an evidence that the the verses are a later addition and not the original.
But let me add something he is also saktya-vesa-avtara of Narayana himself and so he is tri-kaalagya. You are forgetting this fact.
Two, Madhacharya does not quote these verse
He has not quoted these verses directly - that's correct. But he has refuted mayavad in his book, I mentioned in my previous post.
Lord does not delude - that's correct.Three, Lord does not delude that is explicit in Bhagvat Gita
Siva deludes per his request.
Correct. Just like butter milk is always obtained as a by-product when milk is churned for getting butter. You are churning (doing bhakti) for attaining butter (Prema), but you additionally get butter-milk as a by product (Moksa).Four, you say 4 pursharth which all hindu follows, are not desirable pursuit for some obscure reason, and yet you contradict again by quoting BG
sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaḿ śaraṇaḿ vraja - Abandon all the varities of dharma and surrender ONLY TO ME (mam- ekam). You forget to mention the result let me remind you aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah
Still, Vaisnavas disregard this Moksa to be insignificant than that of a mere pebble lying on the road-side. They want to perform devotional-service, even if they have to take birth, trillions of lifetimes.
Caitanya Mahaprabhu himself composed Siksastakam and he says :
na dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam va jagad-isa kamaye
mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi
"O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women, nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service, birth after birth."
Yes Krsna reciprocates by giving Moksa, and we offer our unlimited dandavat-pranams to his Moksa, but that is not our goal.I shall liberate you from all sins (or bonds of Karma). Do not grieve.
So moksa is what Krishna gives yet that is not acceptable to you.
We want atulniya-divya-prema.
Nothing else is acceptable to us.
You can consider him to be deva independent of Supreme Personality of GodHead - But this sidhhanta can be for you, but we reject this sidhhanta outwardly, right from the scratch.Not considered, but fact he is God, Maheshvara.
He is Pasupatinath, God for all beings not just people in mode of ignorance, that is your misconception otherwise this is what Bhagvat puran says but unfortunately you guys just ignore the facts and are very selective.
We also pay our unlimited dandavat pranamas to Sri Siva ji Maharaj in the form of Gopiswara, but NOT for liberation (Moksa). We pray so that he can shower his causeless mercy on us, so that we can attain just an atom of vraja-prema , just like that of gopis.- Only then will we consider our human lives will be successful.The devas observed Lord Siva sitting on the summit of Kailas Hill with his wife, Bhavani for the auspicious development of the three worlds. He was being worshiped by great saintly persons desiring liberation. The devas offered him their obeisance’s and prayers with great respect. SB 8.7.20
Anyway lets not make this thread Shiva V Vishnu they are both auspicious and they do not delude their devotees
NOT only that, both of them are actually parama-karana for all the auspiciousness; and there is no question of deluding the devotees.
Delusion is for those who are atiests/asuras, disguised as devotees - who are responsible for creating disturbance (updrava) in society.
All glories to SriSri Radha Ksrna alone.Jai Shree Krishna
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