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  1. #101

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    I missed this

    Christianity really has nothing to do with Judaism
    If You mean the Old testament(which you said is barbaric) ?

    Sorry to tell you jesus himself Attested to Old testament:

    Matthew 5:17-19
    17 “Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

    18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

    More of Jesus's Attesting to Old testament barbarity:


    Matthew 15:4 (English-NIV)--For God said, `Honor your father and mother' and `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' Mark 7:10 (English-NIV)--For Moses said, `Honor your father and your mother,' and, `Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
    The actual Old Testament reference:
    Leviticus 20:9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.


  2. #102

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    Veer ji,
    What is this veerji thing?.My id is chandu and my real name is Chandra sekhar.
    Lol. Veer means brother. Ji is to denote "respected brother."

    Christianity really has nothing to do with Judaism
    If You mean the Old testament(which you said is barbaric) ?

    Sorry to tell you jesus himself Attested to Old testament:
    Jio, the Jesus of the "New testament" was a Jewish rabbi. But Christianity is largely based on the Pauline epistles. These scriptures of the new testament are entirely written in Greek. As the apostle Paul was a Greek Jew. And the "old testament" was written in Aramaic, except for the Torah part which is written in Hebrew.

    Now, all these scriptures are written thousands of years apart. They were bunched together by the sect of Christians. The Jews have never accepted any of this. So respectfully I tried to make a distinction, out of my respect for Judaism. It is an insult to Jews that their sacred scriptures are even called "old testament" because that is a Christian concept, that Jewish teachings were old promises, but they are inheritors of new promises and so have a greater message.

    Moreover, Christianity is a synthesis of Judaism and ancient Greek and Roman pagan religions which included Egyptian, and Zorastrian mystery cults. So to a Jew who believes "Shema Y'Israel Adonai Eloheinu" Hear O Israel, the Lord Our God, the Lord is One, a doctrine like Jesus the God-man or a Christian Trinity is false and offensive to their teaching.

    So it doesn't matter if Jesus "referred" to the Jewish scriptures (old testament) or not. Christianity really has nothing to do with Judaism, except they have kept the scriptures in their Bible. Christians interpret it based on their own ideas.

    How are they alike as religions?

    So when your debate is based on proving Jesus mentioned the Old Testament, any Jewish listener stops listening at that point. Also, you talk a lot about the authority of the Catholic Pope. But different sects of Christianity totally reject Catholic teaching and do not care what the Pope says.

    So this is what I mean by your getting things all mixed up as one thing. I'm pointing out things for you to look at. To strengthen your arguments and better define them. I have more expertise in this area then you realize. I've been a counter-missionary for years. I'm very familiar with what they teach good and bad, because my interest for years has been religious studies. So think of what I'm saying like you would from a teacher. And try not to debate against me like your enemy.

    Inaccuracy and wrong arguments are simply not convincing to your intended audience. And I'm afraid if you tried to debate with some of these concepts mixed up you will weaken your intended goal, which is to defend against assaults on Hindu Dharma and teaching. You do realize some of these missionary debaters have doctoral degree's.

    FYI the Jews are also alarmed by the Christian missionaries and have a large counter-missionary program with information. Why would they be alarmed at Christian missionaries if their religions were related and part of the same thing?

    http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/
    did any of the Vishnu avatars abolish slavery either?

    When there was no scriptural recommendation for slavery in any of the authentic hindu scriptures where was the need to Annul/ Ban it?.
    I'm not your enemy. I'm not a Christian. I'm not offended by your debates. But I'm trying to point out that modernly, Christianity doesn't support slavery. Arguing the point is not going to make Christian converts renounce their faith. So it's something perhaps to note in a pamphlet but not expend a lot of energy on.

    If the Vishnu avatars did not abolish slavery in the world, that is because this world is sansaar, ocean of suffering. And in this realm people work through their karmas. So, while not explicitly either sanctioning or condemning reprehensible acts like slavery or specific sins, the avtaara pointed out the path for humankind to elevate spiritually and get away from the ocean of suffering.

    So the point is, there is an element of Jesus where he is acting as an avtaar to the Mlecchas. Yes, it's a very distorted picture, but certain elements are there. Any Christian will tell you there are no words of Jesus which ever supported slavery. And in the new testament the teachings are only to be obedient to Masters not anything about how good it is to keep slavery system. None of these people were in political positions of any authority to change the world as it was.

    I'm simply informing you that you will not be persuasive following this line of attack if your goal is for them to hear you. Because they will stop listening when they know you don't know their teachings.

    In a strange way, I sympathize with you. Because I am totally ostracized for defending Hinduism against the radical Tat Khalsas and pro-Khalistanis. They distort and demonize Hindu religion in the exact same ways. And it is with a weird sense of deja vu that I'm having this kind of discussion with you now. But the Khalistanis take the most distorted interpretation possible to make Hindu religion look ridiculous, unscientific, and evil.

    So it is with a loving heart that I ask you not to do that with Christian scriptures. No good will come of it. I myself do not believe in Christian teaching. I'm familiar with the distortions of the missionaries. But seriously we have all got to stop demonizing each other.

    This is just not the right path. It is against Dharma. The Divine is Sat! And how can we embrace the reality of Sat if our utterances distort the truth of something because politically we want it to look as bad as possible?

    The truth is still the truth no matter what we say. And people who know that truth will only think we are liars. How can we convince them of our sincerity, our Dharma, our spiritual maturity if we lower ourselves to such a level?

    One thing you should be aware of in counter-missionary tactics. Is one of the great successes of the Muslims. Their best debaters, like Sheikh Dedat, was one of the most honest and most accurate people. When he quoted or cited Christian teaching, he never insulted it down with false assumptions or inaccurate interpretations. He was spot on, and it won him many converts among the Christians, because they could see he told the truth about their own scriptures.

    If you would take this path, at least become a skilled debater of intergrity and be successful at what you do. But my belief is it doesn't really matter what people believe. To the Christians and Muslims, belief matters greatly, so they expend tremendous time on it.

    Honest to goodness, just love people. Just be good to people. Just be fair to people. You will have greater success.

    I'm trying to point out to you this line of reasoning won't go anywhere.
    I didnt understand a bit of what you are trying to say.
    All these religionists are smarter than you think. They aren't going to buy into your attacks on what they believe if they are based on exaggerations, distortions and half-truths. It simply isn't convincing. The whole point of a debate is to convince someone of a higher truth.

    To Jews, Christianity is a foreign religion which has never been accepted.

    To Protestants, Catholic Christians and their Pope are sometimes thought of as an evil misrepresentation of "true Christianity."

    If you keep mixing things up between sects and religions like this, you will come across as humorous to them and not even challenging. So these lines of reasoning won't go anywhere, won't convince anybody. You have to convince them from deep knowledge. Knowledge which is true and resonates in their consciences.

    Western society did not reject Christianity.
    Probably you havent read much about European renaissance.

    Western society is overwhelmingly Christian in religion. Their is an underlying agnostic scientific political belief system which is the philosophy behind the current "separation of Church and State" political doctrine. But if you think that Western nations do not support foreign missionary efforts due to BOTH, then you are mistaken about modern political policy.

    If Western society were rejecting of Christianity, how could the Christian missionaries have so much financial, social, and political support?

    Western Society separated Religion from Politics, well sort of. Perhaps in intention. The reality is politics is highly manipulated by religious vote blocs. So in a sense, especially in America, religion shapes, defines and runs politics.

    And you are overlooking a powerful history, at least in the United States, where Christian Churches actively worked to abolish slavery.
    Ofcourse because of some good people the western societies abolished slavery even though the BIBLE recommends it.
    I'm not interested in arguing the point. Go on teaching whatever makes you happy. Just don't be surprised if you're ineffective in convincing people. The Bible doesn't recommend slavery. In the ancient "Old testament" scriptures which are like 3-4 thousand years old, when the Jews were fighting wars of survival there were passages like that. No sect or Church of Christianity in the world teaches that, so it is like a paper ball fired out of a canon...weak.

    Anyways, you're absolutely right when you say missionaries distort scriptures like that for colonial purpose in countries like India. But that is a political interpretation which the average Christian groups do not use and would argue as not being their teaching. So it depends on your audience how you would use it I guess.

    They never had other options and being in the church was certainly lucrative for them.

    But American christianity is now under attack from wealthy arabs who are converting blacks as if there is no tomorrow.

    Europe rejected religion in general longtime ago and in England christianity is as good as officially dead.

    So, for these Evangelists india is major target for HARVESTING SOULS.
    Black Muslim organization has no relationship to Arab Muslims. In fact after Malcolm X returned from Hajj he was murdered by Louis Farrakhan at order of their Prophet Elijah Mohammed. They teach their own thing. Overwhelming majority of black Americans are Christian and leaders of major Christian denominations. Entire black style of worship is now predominant in the United States. In America there are lots of options. I even see black Americans showing up for pujas and things. This isn't 100 years ago.

    Evangelists may use the words "harvesting souls" but we all know they are harvesting vote blocs to manipulate India's foreign policy and breed dependence on the West. By becoming "Christians" they become financially dependent on their sponsors and begin to support political views and cultural encroachment favorable to foreign mission sponsors.
    Respect is a two way street.I dont think i am capable of respecting any faith that demeans my Own Faith on a consistent basis.

    There is the example Jews who have successfully pooh poohed Christian beleifs on jesus's Virgin birth and stopped these evangelists from gobbling up their faith.
    It is not a "faith" which is disrespecting your faith. It is disrespectful and spiritually ignorant people who are politically attacking the cohesion of another country. The Christian faith is not a living entity capable of disrespecting you. But it is a religion which millions of people in the West cling to for support in times of suffering and no need to tear apart.

    You know I got banned off a Sikh forum after having a huge disagreement with several moderators over disrespectful things they were posting about Bhagavan Krishna being "vile" and "pornographic." Now, instead of defending Hindu I am debating one in the exact same way as I debated Sikhs for doing the same thing of disrespecting another religion. There's irony in this.

    The Jews didn't "pooh pooh" the point of the virgin birth to stop evangelists. That's the method of the atheistic communists who insult and attack miracle stories of all religions. The Jews defeat the Christian missionaries by showing how Christian teaching is against principles of Jewish teaching and by showing how missionaries LIE about Jewish teaching to fool Jews. They are pointing out the inaccuracies and the lies. They aren't waging a war against supernatural beliefs in general. Although I don't think it's disrespectful of Christian teaching to point out how unlikely the virgin birth story is, it just depends on how it's done. There's a way to debate and win your audience, and there's a hateful way intended to humiliate and insult.

    It's up to you what approach to choose.

    Be careful of your sources, agnosticism is a two-edged sword which will just as soon dismember the profound and beautiful symbolism of Hindu religion.

    ~Om Shanti Shanti
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    Re: Defending Hindu Dharma against the Onslaught of Adharmic Religions

    Quote Originally Posted by Harjas Kaur View Post
    If the Vishnu avatars did not abolish slavery in the world, that is because this world is sansaar, ocean of suffering. And in this realm people work through their karmas. So, while not explicitly either sanctioning or condemning reprehensible acts like slavery or specific sins, the avtaara pointed out the path for humankind to elevate spiritually and get away from the ocean of suffering.
    ---
    This is just not the right path. It is against Dharma. The Divine is Sat! And how can we embrace the reality of Sat if our utterances distort the truth of something because politically we want it to look as bad as possible?

    The truth is still the truth no matter what we say. ----

    You know I got banned off a Sikh forum after having a huge disagreement with several moderators over disrespectful things they were posting about Bhagavan Krishna being "vile" and "pornographic." Now, instead of defending Hindu I am debating one in the exact same way as I debated Sikhs for doing the same thing of disrespecting another religion.

    The Jews didn't "pooh pooh" the point of the virgin birth to stop evangelists. That's the method of the atheistic communists who insult and attack miracle stories of all religions. The Jews defeat the Christian missionaries by showing how Christian teaching is against principles of Jewish teaching and by showing how missionaries LIE about Jewish teaching to fool Jews. They are pointing out the inaccuracies and the lies. They aren't waging a war against supernatural beliefs in general.

    Be careful of your sources, agnosticism is a two-edged sword which will just as soon dismember the profound and beautiful symbolism of Hindu religion.
    I am perhaps a bit biased in my belief that a lady can only look beyond boundaries to uphold the truth.

    A truly beautiful post, for which my regards and respects to Harjas Ji.

    Om Namah Shivaya
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

  4. #104

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    Kaurji, it appears you have no real knowledge neither about mainstream christianity nor their scriptural understanding as evident from your statement

    So it doesn't matter if Jesus "referred" to the Jewish scriptures (old testament) or not


    Obviously the WORD of JESUS matters to christians more than the words of
    Harjas Kaur who claims, like some of the Hindus in this forum that they understand christianity better than christians themselfes.

    And then Kaurji goes on to say

    The Jews defeat the Christian missionaries by showing how Christian teaching is against principles of Jewish teaching and by showing how missionaries LIE about Jewish teaching to fool Jews.


    The crux of the Jews argument focus on the Bogus PROPHECY of Messiah born to a virgin which worked effectively against the christians.

    Isaiah 7:14 -- Virgin or Not?

    http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishvi...sus_virgin.htm

    It is not a "faith" which is disrespecting your faith
    Ofcourse it is the christian Faith that is disrespecting my faith .

    I have a feeling that i am banging my head against a wall.It appears that you dont read the The bible quotes or the Vatican statements i povided.

    It is disrespectful and spiritually ignorant people who are politically attacking the cohesion of another country
    I didnt know that Christians consider Vatcan and Popes as ignorant or disrespectful people

    Now, it appears your version of christianity has no relation to Biblical scriptures or The mainstream church but your own understanding borne out of your personal interactions with people in the west.

    Here is a comparison of various christian denominations beliefs:
    http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...ns_beliefs.htm

    All are unanimous in their Understanding that rejection of Jesus guarantees eternal Hell:

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    radical Tat Khalsas and pro-Khalistanis. They distort and demonize Hindu religion in the exact same ways


    Who cares what these drunkard Bhindranwale clones do or think?

    Majority of Sikhs are comfortable with Hinduism and many expatriate sikhs are returning to India.

    Christian will tell you there are no words of Jesus which ever supported slavery


    They will tell now after the church expressed their monumental shame about slave trading.
    Jesus Was at best ambivalent on slaves and at worst perpetuated slavery.

    well, why i am having this discussion with you when you have no knowledge on biblical scriptures.

    Black Muslim organization has no relationship to Arab Muslims.


    That is pretty old news.

    I think you are clueless on what is happening around your place.

    Take a look at this
    http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_356.html
    Last edited by chandu_69; 09 October 2009 at 02:18 PM.

  6. #106

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    Biblical basis for christian missionary healing frauds:

    The missionaries are trying their best to follow Jesus's advice.

    Matthew 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.


    Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.


    Since the missionaries cannot do these impossible acts they try to fake them.

  7. #107

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    One more argument that can be used against the bible thumping fraudsters:

    Jesus was sent exclusively for israelites:

    Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
    Jesus sent apostles to preach exclusively to jews

    Matthew 10:5-6:
    These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    The Apostles expanded their mission to include all nations
    after Jesus's death:Matthew 28:16-20







  8. #108

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    Kaurji, it appears you have no real knowledge neither about mainstream christianity nor their scriptural understanding as evident from your statement
    Quote:
    So it doesn't matter if Jesus "referred" to the Jewish scriptures (old testament) or not
    Obviously the WORD of JESUS matters to christians more than the words of Harjas Kaur who claims, like some of the Hindus in this forum that they understand christianity better than christians themselfes.
    To a Christian, this is a Christian interpretation. But what did I say?

    The Jews have never accepted any of this.

    ...a doctrine like Jesus the God-man or a Christian Trinity is false and offensive to their teaching.
    So it doesn't matter if Jesus "referred" to the Jewish scriptures (old testament) or not. Christianity really has nothing to do with Judaism, except they have kept the scriptures in their Bible. Christians interpret it based on their own ideas.
    Judaism has never accepted the words of Jesus as authoritative or speaking for their religion so why do you insist that Christianity or "words of Jesus" represents Judaism? Words of Jesus speaks to Christians. Jews are not Christians.
    radical Tat Khalsas and pro-Khalistanis. They distort and demonize Hindu religion in the exact same ways

    Who cares what these drunkard Bhindranwale clones do or think?

    Majority of Sikhs are comfortable with Hinduism and many expatriate sikhs are returning to India.
    You don't care? I care. With all of my heart I care. The Sikh militancy was worsened by heavy-handed and unjust police actions which united the entire Sikh community against the police, starting with unfortunate stupidity of Indira Gandhi to invade Holy Temple of Sikhs... with tanks and artillery killing a thousand innocent pilgrims.

    Majority of Sikhs are terribly uncomfortable with Hindus. Including Akal Takht, highest seat of Sikh religious authority. Several of the highest Jathedars of Akal Takhat have been pro-Khalistanis, including just recently dismissed former Jathedar Vedanti.

    Look:


    Here is photo of head jathedar of Sikh religion, Joginder Singh Vedanti installing Bhindranwale portrait in the parkama of Harmandir Sahib, after the Sikh Panth declared him a martyr for the faith.

    Vedanti Khalistan Speech 2008 - 03:19 - May 6, 2008
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...93298366811097

    There is former Akal Takhat jathedar Ranjit Singh convicted of the murder of Sant Nirankari guru Gurbachana, at the order of Bhindranwale who was awarded the highest temporal seat of Sikh authority while in prison serving the sentence.

    And there is current Akal Takht jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh who together with Dal Khalsa gave the ardas for the morcha against Sikh sects which have dedhari gurus and unite with Hinduism.

    This is what Dal Khalsa said:
    Khalsa March sends strong warning to pseudo-saints, astray cults and sects: Disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib or any challenge to its Guruship will not be tolerated

    "The Sikh bodies through a resolution steadfastly maintained that any disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib or any challenge to its guruship will not be tolerated and will be dealt firmly with full force.

    Significantly, the Jathedar of the Akal Takht Gaini Gurbachan Singh flagged off the march. He also performed Ardas in memory of 13 Sikhs. Paying rich tributes to them, he called upon the Sikh masses to unite in their pursuit against these pseudo-saints.

    Hundreds of Dal Khalsa activists were carrying placards and large size banners displaying pictures of militant leaders including Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale, Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Talwinder Singh Babbar, Wadhawa Singh Babbarthe militant struggle against “gurudom” and to avenge the killings of 13 Sikhs against neo-Nirankaris in early 80’s. They also eulogized the role and contribution of former jathedar Akal Takht Bhai Ranjit Singh“killed” Nirankari chief responsible for Baisakhi massacre...

    To ensure unflinching respect for Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh bodies including Damdami Taksal, Akand Kirtani Jatha, Khalsa Action Committee beside Dal Khalsa reiterated that it was a religious and pious duty of every Sikh to defeat the designs of all such sects and cults, which were propagating the concept of "living gurus" contrary to the fundamentals of the Sikh faith.

    Striking a discordant chord, the organizers said while the Sikhs are presently engaged in a bitter struggle against the blasphemous actsopposed to all schismatic sects including Radhaswami and Namdhari sects as they were also underscoring the fundamentals of Sikh religion in a silent but systematic manner."

    http://www.dalkhalsa.com/Archives/Ne...14_Mar_09.html

    Dal Khalsa protest against sants, deras and gurus who they feel threaten orthodox Sikh identity by uniting with Hindu traditions. I'm sorry you didn't know there was a persecution going on against Sikh-Hindu unity.


    Following this call to action and invoking of Babbar Khalsa International terrorist group by carrying photos of it's leaders, the attack in Vienna on the Chamar Ravidasi gurus occurred, killing guru Rama Nand Ji and wounding several people in attendance, including children.
    May 25, 2009 Riots after Sikh guru Sant Rama Nand shot dead in Vienna http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6359288.ece

    Bhog-funeral ceremony of Ravidasi sect Sant Rama Nand Ji


    Sant Rama Nand
    (With english subtitles) - Lord; I dedicate this life to You. = Eh Janam Tumhare Lekhe ~ Beautiful bhajan sung by Sant Rama Nand Ji
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_N04wbOtw
    Now this is NOT just a handful of "drunken" extremists. It's a call to action and literal persecution by the highest mainstream Sikh authority and involving participation of militant terror groups including Babbar Khalsa and Khalistan Zindabad Force.

    Maybe you don't care. But I care. And I have a terrible sense of foreboding as to the outcome of such agitations and the foreign powers manipulating them. It's a huge problem. And it's getting out of control. Sants and gurus should be dying? Today? For what? Khalistan? re-partition? Hatred of Hindus?

    So I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm sharing information the best I can. People need to know what the problems are and how huge is the problem, but they should also know the best ways to combat it.

    If you give leaflets to these people they will not hear you. If you say how horrible Bhindranwale was, they will not tolerate it. They love him. Because he spoke to their grievances and sense of pain. He spoke to their sense of powerlessness.

    Before we get to the stage of regrettable counter-terrorism
    , there should be outreach. Win these communities over with brotherhood, acceptance, reconciliation, with Dharmic principles, with satsang and family ties. Don't ignore alienated communities who will grab at the most extremist distortions and support murder and bombs. Or who like missionaries support mass conversions, idol-breaking ceremonies and unjust attacks on swamis and Hindu religion.

    This is a very serious issue. But insults, half-truths and distortions are powerless to defeat it. Powerless to stop the killings.
    As I mentioned before, the one Hindu group which has made positive outreach to the Sikh community is the RSS. And just after the assassination of Ravidas guru in Vienna, leader of Rashtriya Sikh Satsang in Punjab, Rulda Singh was also shot dead.
    Saturday, October 10, 2009:

    Rulda Singh had received five bullets in his abdomen and forehead. His condition was deteriorating continuously and was put on life support system. Doctors attending to Rulda Singh said from the last few days he had stopped responding to artificial support system. He is survived by his wife, two sons and a daughter.
    http://worldsikhnews.com/19%20August...0is%20dead.htm
    That is the answer to Sikh-Hindu unity efforts. So it's with a heavy heart as your sister that I share these things with you. Because hate and killings and intolerance are more than I can stomach anymore. There has to be a better way. And if we can't find that better way, then we have to evolve and become that better way.

    Otherwise we're nothing more than the same problem. And that is no solution at all.


    this is great news....
    What was the reason for such a public assassination within the sangat. If (and I stress IF) this assassination was necessary and the diplomatic means had really failed then why could it not be done more tactfully?
    When Darshan Das was shot in southall it was when he was parading around the streets when the two Mahaan Gursikhs shot him down.

    Sometimes a public show is what people need to be woken up or at least rattled.

    May Waheguru look after the Gursikhs that tried to protect their Fathers honour!
    Devotee Ravidas
    We thank the sikh that shot him for his service

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-f2q3UDhjw&feature=fvw
    Sant Rama Nand Ji and respected Ravidas sangat Jios please forgive us. With folded hands I beg your forgiveness. Rulda Singh Ji and family, I beg your forgiveness. Air India 182 victims and families I beg your forgiveness, especially for callous display of photos of your killers by the Sikh sangat.

    You see, Sikh fundamentalists think these babas and sants are Hindu missionaries out to destroy Sikh faith. So they want to tear down and destroy what they think of as the enemy. And in so distorting they become the enemy and do Adharmic things.

    Please show me in which Hindu scriptures it says to disrespect, insult, and provoke hatred for the religion of others in any Dharmic scriptures. Otherwise it is only Chandu Ji's opinion. I have given many examples as proof of how people can lose Dharma thinking they are protecting it.

    Hatred and derision only scapegoat others and make them vulnerable to violence. This is not any path to union with the Divine. And union with the Divine is the whole point of Dharma.

    Believe what you will. I have to respectfully disagree with your methods. And these have been my reasons. But I still agree with you that missionaries need to be confronted and stopped from committing fraud on the public. I just don't agree with waging war against religion.

    We should give all people a fair chance and not tear them down in public. Even criminals deserve a fair trial. Otherwise we may hate so much we become complicit to murder of actual sants. And that is maha paap.

    We should not become blind in our hatred of others, or in hatred of their religion. The Spiritually blind person can't protect a Dharma he can't perceive.

    ~bhul chak maaf karni ji

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    The Many Faces of Benny Hinn 4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kn-1bedxGY

    Missionaries who commit fraud are reprehensible and should be stopped from their mischief. But we have to use extreme caution not to further victimize victims. When people are grasping at faith, who are we to snatch it from them without even replacing it with something better?

    We should enter this arena with great care and wise discernment/vivek so those who are most vulnerable, alienated, poor, sick do not feel further ostracism by our rejection, our hostility and our hatred.

    Oppose wrong-doers for the wrong they do. Don't make generalizations against the faith of those who need it most which will only hurt the people who need our support, education, outreach, prayers, pujas, dasvandh, and loving concern. The reasons people convert are many. How can we hurt them? We should try to reach out to them with our positive, beautiful, precious Dharma.

    But those who do criminal mischief need to be removed from society, with force if necessary.

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    Re: Defending Hindu Dharma against the Onslaught of Adharmic Religions

    Quote Originally Posted by Harjas Kaur View Post

    But those who do criminal mischief need to be removed from society, with force if necessary.
    A very brief but brilliant statement.

    The stupid pseudo-secular pious egotistic Hindus need to understand this before they bring India down with them.

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