Re: Thatthvamasi(tatvamasi) and sankara charya vedanta
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Some conversation with Guruji , relating to prArabdha, since the topic has come up.
me: If vAsanA have to be erradicated, the living mind may have automatically transcended them if the intellect has understood the identity and has fully realized the Self/Brahman ? I suppose it is a matter of experience then.
{here by identity , we mean "Tat Tvam asi" , subject = object ID }
Dr. Sadananda: It is knowledge than experience per sec. It is knowledge that there is nothing more to know or do. I understand that I was never a doer but actions are being done in my presence. Hence Krishna says - prakRityevaca karmaaNi kriyamaaNaani sarvasaH - All actions are done by prakRiti only - this is true whether I am a jnaani or ajnaani - jnaani will know this so he sees the actions that are being performed by BMI but he never takes himself as responsible for the actions since he was never a doer.
The sanchita and aagami will not belong to him - with jnaana the connection to him gone. Only prarabda is left - that belongs to prakRiti now part of BMI. Hence body, mind and intellect will go through their destined prarabda. Jnaani sees the so-called BMI is undergoing its prarabda but he himself is unaffected since it does not belong to him. He sees as His own glory or modestly he may say it is all the glory of the Lord. Everything becomes HIS vibhuuti. That is the understanding or jnaana not experience since experience comes and goes - knowledge stays.
me: That perfectly answers my qn !
So if I am understanding this correctly -
that is what prArabdha for the JivanMukta is. He may say, the body is hungry, and if there are laddoos on the countertop, its OK for the BMI to take the decision to eat one. That was not me, let BMI do what it takes, or wants to do ?
Dr. SadAnanda : Yes BMI has praarabda like an arrow that was shot they have to go through what ever that was destined.
This is true for everyone.
Jnaani understood that he is not BMI but that existence consciousness that lends both existence as well as consciousness to BMI.
Hence he can as Saakshii watch the BMI sufferings as well as enjoyments. It is like watching movie on the screen - both tragedies and comedies we watch and say the movie was very good. Even the suffering we can watch only because it is a movie and not real.
Jnaani understood that BMI is not real but only apparent. Hence all modifications are only apparent and not real. It becomes beautiful creation to watch. Hence it is called LEELA. It is understood as LEELA only if I can stand apart and watch without getting involved.
Hence Jnaani does not have praarabda but he sees the play of praarabda of the BMI and through the BMI the world.
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