Vital Messages from Jesus

[shian]

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)

[sanjaya]

Sadly, the Christian will simply respond that it's impossible to do the will of God without converting to Christianity.

[shian]

They have right to have opinion about this verse,

but

we also can ask :
This verse is also said even "ONLY" become Christian we still cannot throught to Heaven

that is said "but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven"

so which will of Father ?

is will who translated and explain by Catholic Roma ?
or
will who translated and explain by Penthakosta Christian ?
or
will who translated and explain by this clergyman ? or that clergyman ?

which will is original from Father ?

which one ?

or become people who does the will of Jesus's Father
must become Christian and baptised by this clergyman?
or that clergyman ?
or clergyman who still receive India tradition ?
or clergyman who reject India Tradition ?
which cruch have ability to give us baptist in the name of Father ?
is Catholich cruch ? is Protestant cruch ? is charismatic church ?

which one ????

or even babtist from clergyman who also do Buddhist and HIndu practice ??

which one is have original Father will ?

is clergyman who choosen by yourself (christian firends who talk with us) ??
why must choose your clergyman ?
is other clergyman is will burn in hell ?
is catholic will burned ?
why only you is right to talk about Father's will ?

the ending is , this people want you refuge in the name of his/herself.
not God

[Tirisilex]

Those who do not do "my fathers will" will be essentially cast away.
If you re-examine Christs conception you will find that it wasn't the Hebrew God who inseminated Mary it was "The Holy Spirit" so thus Christs True Father is the Holy Spirit. Those who walk in Christs Saving EXAMPLE and Follow the Path of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5) Is doing the Will of Christs Father.

It mentions People Prophesying, Doing Miracles, Casting out Demons..(This sounds alot like many Charismatic Churches) But they missed the essential points of the Holy Spirit. One I like to point out is that it is of "Fleshly", "Demoniacal", "a Klesha" Creating Separatism. Christians are SOOOOO Guilty when it comes to that.

The Holy Spirit is obviosly considered more important because you can Blaspheme "God" you can Blaspheme Jesus but if You Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you may never get Forgiveness in this life. Why the harsh punishment if it wasnt more important??

[Einherjar]

Those who do not do "my fathers will" will be essentially cast away.
If you re-examine Christs conception you will find that it wasn't the Hebrew God who inseminated Mary it was "The Holy Spirit" so thus Christs True Father is the Holy Spirit. Those who walk in Christs Saving EXAMPLE and Follow the Path of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5) Is doing the Will of Christs Father.

It mentions People Prophesying, Doing Miracles, Casting out Demons..(This sounds alot like many Charismatic Churches) But they missed the essential points of the Holy Spirit. One I like to point out is that it is of "Fleshly", "Demoniacal", "a Klesha" Creating Separatism. Christians are SOOOOO Guilty when it comes to that.

The Holy Spirit is obviosly considered more important because you can Blaspheme "God" you can Blaspheme Jesus but if You Blaspheme the Holy Spirit you may never get Forgiveness in this life. Why the harsh punishment if it wasnt more important??

Yet if you get into the Christian dogma, the trinity are differentiated but at their core the same being. So, according to them you would think that if you blaspheme one you blaspheme the others.

I, personally, find it hilarious that Christians will tell you that you HAVE to become a Christian in order to attain spiritual peace/heaven/salvation/whatever when Christ never demanded anyone to become baptized in his name. He taught people how to be better Jews.

Assuming he was an actual person and not an abstract representation of various kabbalistic concepts I would say he was a good guy but I really won't ever understand certain people's maniacal attachment to the Church doctrine which drastically strays from what is claimed within the texts of the tradition.

[Ramakrishna]

Yet if you get into the Christian dogma, the trinity are differentiated but at their core the same being. So, according to them you would think that if you blaspheme one you blaspheme the others.

I, personally, find it hilarious that Christians will tell you that you HAVE to become a Christian in order to attain spiritual peace/heaven/salvation/whatever when Christ never demanded anyone to become baptized in his name. He taught people how to be better Jews.

Assuming he was an actual person and not an abstract representation of various kabbalistic concepts I would say he was a good guy but I really won't ever understand certain people's maniacal attachment to the Church doctrine which drastically strays from what is claimed within the texts of the tradition.

Namaste Einherjar,

Christ did demand that people be baptized in his name. That is evident in Matthew 28:19-20, which says "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

[Einherjar]

I stand corrected. I apparently did not think that statement through very well. =P Considering I have actually read through the entire new testament in my youth I am actually a little embarrassed I made that claim.

[Ramakrishna]

I stand corrected. I apparently did not think that statement through very well. =P Considering I have actually read through the entire new testament in my youth I am actually a little embarrassed I made that claim.

You're fine. I just started reading through the New Testament fairly recently, so that was how I was able to know that exact verse. I definitely see what you're saying, though. Christ did say that only through him you will attain salvation, and he did demand that people be baptized in his name, but even though we as Hindus reject those stubborn, exclusive views, we can still learn from Christ. The Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount are just beautiful, and anybody can find inspiration from them, regardless of your religion.

[Archimboldo]

Sadly, the Christian will simply respond that it's impossible to do the will of God without converting to Christianity.

Well, I know there are Christians who say that, but not all do. As with all religions, if you wish to know what their avatar taught, you have to experience the teaching by long or intense practice, not by the opinions of flawed men.

Would Krishna or Jesus judge a person by their theoretical beliefs or by what they do with their beliefs? I believe the answer is in the original quote of this thread.

Whether it is the Gita or the Bible, you have to read with intuition, or your "inward parts" knowledge.

Psalms 51:6
Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

[Archimboldo]

Christ did demand that people be baptized in his name. That is evident in Matthew 28:19-20, which says "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you."

Christ did ask that of His disciples, but this does not by any stretch of the imagination imply that He condemned anyone who does not call himself a Christian.

There are many Christian visionaries who have said that in their visions of Jesus or Mary, such as those in Medjugorje, they learned that God does not care what a person's sect or formal religion is.

Just to give one interpretation of baptism, to baptize means to purify and be renewed by the primordial love symbolized by water. "The highest good is like water. It flows in places men reject, and is so like the dharma." Amongst the many thoughtful commentators on the symbolism of water, the writings of Carl Jung are an example.