Allah - The moon god

[jaggin]

"The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times?"

The reality is that the Quaran may speak of things of the past, particularly in reference to the Bible but it was a definite departure from the Paganism of Mohammed's time.

The Islamic concept of tieing in to Abraham through Ishmael doesn't hold much water spiritually since Paganism seemed to be the predominant religion of Mohammed's time.

"Islam without its terrorism in my opinion is even better than Christianity due to emphasis on some spiritual discipline."

Islam was not given as a progression of faith from Christianity but was given to catch up Arabs out of Paganism into a legalistic society similar to Judaism. Christianity is still superior not due to spiritual discipline but because of the gift of the spirit of God who works through believers. Better stated, a Christian does not have to work hard to be holy since God is working holiness within.

[Sudarshan]

[COLOR=black]Islam was not given as a progression of faith from Christianity but was given to catch up Arabs out of Paganism into a legalistic society similar to Judaism. Christianity is still superior not due to spiritual discipline but because of the gift of the spirit of God who works through believers. Better stated, a Christian does not have to work hard to be holy since God is working holiness within.

So it was God's holiness that was working through Christians when they colonized the whole world? What about the atrocities in Europe under the orders of the Vatican? They are sure enough good evidences for the holiness of God working through Christians.

The spirit of God is common to the whole universe, and cannot be copyrighted by some person or religion. Every individual has to work equally hard to attain the level of perfection that makes you closer to God. Beleiving otherwise ( that there is some easier option for me and that the rest of the world is struggling for it) is the first sign of ignorance.

[jaggin]

So it was God's holiness that was working through Christians when they colonized the whole world? What about the atrocities in Europe under the orders of the Vatican? They are sure enough good evidences for the holiness of God working through Christians.

The spirit of God is common to the whole universe, and cannot be copyrighted by some person or religion. Every individual has to work equally hard to attain the level of perfection that makes you closer to God. Beleiving otherwise ( that there is some easier option for me and that the rest of the world is struggling for it) is the first sign of ignorance.

Just because people call themselves Christians or are called Christians doesn't guarantee that the spirit of God is working in them. However, God does work to destroy pagan societies in favor of those who worship Him especially if those pagan societies resist conversion. For instance the indians of Mexico worshipped pagan gods and persformed human sacrifice. The conquerors might not have been that altruistic but they did eliminate pagan religion in Mexico.

The spirit of God is available to everyone but that does not mean that everyone receives the spirit the way a Christian does. We receive Him as Lord and Savior, actively working in our lives to make us holy.

It can't be two ways. Either you believe that God is doing the work or you believe that you have to do the work. I believe that God is working in me. Jesus said you can tell when this happens by the fruit of His efforts. You can work as hard as you want but you can never be as good as God. The Bible says that there is only one who is good and that is God.

[atanu]

Just because people call themselves Christians or are called Christians doesn't guarantee that the spirit of God is working in them. ----

The spirit of God is available to everyone but that does not mean that everyone receives the spirit the way a Christian does. .

Are you a christian? How do you know? And if you are indeed a christian then what proof that a christian only receives special favour?

If you wish to show some proof then be short please.

Om Namah Jehovayya

[sarabhanga]

God does work to destroy pagan societies in favor of those who worship Him especially if those pagan societies resist conversion.

And who exactly are the pagans who will be destroyed of they resist conversion?

Is your post actually threatening all devoted Hindus with destruction if they do not become Christians?

[atanu]

----The Bible says that there is only one who is good and that is God.

The Bible has not said it for the first time.

God is good is known eternally from Vedas, as Vedas have named that un-nameable as Shiva -- the Good, The Best, The auspicious.

Om.

[atanu]

Part 4.

5. Unquoting The Quotes ----------

Dear Skill,

Salam,

Your massive answer is as uninformed as the critique itself, as there is no need to counter ignorance. God is not moon god or sun god. God is that in whom the mind (moon), prana-life (sun), and will (agni-fire) abide.

The icon that moslems use is very similar to the hindu icon and there is no reason to feel defensive about that. Christians use Jesus and cross as icon. Mind requires an icon. What is negative about that? Those who do not understand that God is Vishnu (all pervasive) only create such ruccus.

And moreover, majority of christians having forgotten about the indwelling god, are greatest idolators since most of them worship their own bodies and not the temple of god that the body is.


Om Namah Shivayya

[Sudarshan]

Just because people call themselves Christians or are called Christians doesn't guarantee that the spirit of God is working in them. However, God does work to destroy pagan societies in favor of those who worship Him especially if those pagan societies resist conversion. For instance the indians of Mexico worshipped pagan gods and persformed human sacrifice. The conquerors might not have been that altruistic but they did eliminate pagan religion in Mexico.

Why is the pagan inside me feeling uneasy with your reply? But your Christian God was unable to make any dent into the Hindu pagan society even with 400 years of official and military support. Perhaps all Hindus were considered to be true Christians?

Now these statements are alarming to say the least and is a warning to the all embracing Hindus to be wary of Christianity.

The spirit of God is available to everyone but that does not mean that everyone receives the spirit the way a Christian does. We receive Him as Lord and Savior, actively working in our lives to make us holy.

The spirit of God is available to everyone but that does not mean that everyone receives the spirit the way a Hindu does. We receive Him as Lord and Savior, actively working in our lives to make us holy. And we have proved it in the past. Hindus have never raided foreign lands and held captives or forced people into religion, all guided by the spirit of God. Christianity does not have historical evidence to support your claim. I can certainly see that God is more active in Hindus than he is with materialstic Christian societies.

It can't be two ways. Either you believe that God is doing the work or you believe that you have to do the work. I believe that God is working in me. Jesus said you can tell when this happens by the fruit of His efforts. You can work as hard as you want but you can never be as good as God. The Bible says that there is only one who is good and that is God.

Yes, God alone is good. But I do not know of the existance of anything external to God either. God alone exists. In his intrinsic nature he is pure unalloyed bliss. Evil and Good arise from his characteristics, but are not apart from him. What you call as evil is evil only to you, not to God. Had he thought so, it would have ceased to exist long ago.

[Sudarshan]

Dear Skill,

Salam,

Your massive answer is as uninformed as the critique itself, as there is no need to counter ignorance. God is not moon god or sun god. God is that in whom the mind (moon), prana-life (sun), and will (agni-fire) abide.

The icon that moslems use is very similar to the hindu icon and there is no reason to feel defensive about that. Christians use Jesus and cross as icon. Mind requires an icon. What is negative about that? Those who do not understand that God is Vishnu (all pervasive) only create such ruccus.

And moreover, majority of christians having forgotten about the indwelling god, are greatest idolators since most of them worship their own bodies and not the temple of god that the body is.


Om Namah Shivayya

Christians and Muslims are good examples of shUnyavAdins, or nihilists because they are afraid of giving the unimaginable God a symbolic representation. They literally worship "void" in their temples while condemning the devout flower offerings made to an idol of the Lord by a Hindu out of his love.

[jaggin]

Are you a christian? How do you know? And if you are indeed a christian then what proof that a christian only receives special favour?

If you wish to show some proof then be short please.

Om Namah Jehovayya

I am a Christian. I know because I have asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior.

God favours whomever He wishes but usually those who please Him.