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    Shaiva Dvaita?

    Cant seem to find much information on Shiva as Brahman in Dvaita.

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumar_Das View Post
    Cant seem to find much information on Shiva as Brahman in Dvaita.
    Thats because what is called (unjustified) "dvaita" Shaivaism (shaiva siddhanta) is not based on the Upanishads and does not belong to Vedanta but is an agamic/tantric tradition where the vedantic concept of brahman is not used too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MahaHrada View Post
    Thats because what is called (unjustified) "dvaita" Shaivaism (shaiva siddhanta) is not based on the Upanishads and does not belong to Vedanta but is an agamic/tantric tradition where the vedantic concept of brahman is not used too often.
    And why is that?

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Rishi Agastya is said to be the first to realize Brahman and he was a Shaivite.

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumar_Das View Post
    And why is that?
    Because agamic/tantric Darshanas are not based on the Vedas and Upanishads but regard the Agamas and Tantras as their Shastras, which do not talk about Brahman as the absolute.

    see my postings :

    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...59&postcount=2

    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...5&postcount=20
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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Well to find info about shiva-advaita or shiva-vishist advaita, go through he works of srikanathacharya (also known as siva-nilkanthacharya), he has written a brahmsutra bhasya explaining lord shiva as brahman. Himlayan acedemy guru sri sivaya subramuniya swami takes reference from brahmsutra bhasya of srikanthacharya.

    Also go through the works of great appaya dikshitar, he was also a guru of shiva-advaita lineage. siva-karmani-deepika is a memorable work of sri appaya dikshitar.

    However you must know, dwaita element is generally missing from shavism, most of shavite schools are following qualified monism. Kashmiri shavism is a wonderful philosophy, even sri basavana veerashavism is very beautiful. The oldest school of Hinduism pashupata shaivism is also a school of shavism, but they are not dvaita completely because according to these philosophies , after moksha, jeeva doesn't retains a completely differnt individuality from shiva.

    Namah shivaye
    When the light has risen, there is no day, no night, neither existence nor non-existence; Siva alone is there. That is the eternal, the adorable light of Savitri, - and the ancient wisdom proceeded thence (Svetasvatara Upanishad IV-18). :)

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Quote Originally Posted by isavasya View Post

    However you must know, dwaita element is generally missing from shavism
    It is Shaiva Siddhanta, based on the 28 Shaiva agamas that is, partly unjustified, mentionend as belonging to Dvaitavada. Also Siddha Siddhanta, i.e. Nath Sampradaya is mentioned sometimes as belonging to DvaitAdvaitavada.

    Both Traditions would say that their teachings are higher than both concepts, they consider the ultimate state to transcend the limited intellectual concepts of Dvaita and Advaita Teachings.

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Quote Originally Posted by MahaHrada View Post
    Thats because what is called (unjustified) "dvaita" Shaivaism (shaiva siddhanta) is not based on the Upanishads and does not belong to Vedanta but is an agamic/tantric tradition where the vedantic concept of brahman is not used too often.
    I like talking vedic , extending to vedantic , but agamic/tantric and belonging to mercyful shiva , o god I am afraid to feel . May anybody pl explain ?

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Let me make it clear that there is…….
    kali biloki jaga hita hara girija, sabara mantra jala jinha sirija.
    anamila akhara aratha na japµu, pragata prabhau mahesa pratapµu….goswamiji
    Seeing the prevalence of the Kali age Hara and Girija (siva and Parvati) evolved a string
    of spells in the tongue of savages, incoherent syllables which yield no interpretation and
    require no repetition, but whose efficacy is patent, revealing siva.s glory.

    Now there is a Mantra series called Sabar Mantra series , which our rishis knew , but there is a 0.00001% chance that some of our rishiputras may know . So knowing tantra, if it is a part of sabar mantra series, is only reliable then .

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    Re: Shaiva Dvaita?

    Quote Originally Posted by kd gupta View Post
    Let me make it clear that there is…….
    kali biloki jaga hita hara girija, sabara mantra jala jinha sirija.
    anamila akhara aratha na japµu, pragata prabhau mahesa pratapµu….goswamiji
    Seeing the prevalence of the Kali age Hara and Girija (siva and Parvati) evolved a string
    of spells in the tongue of savages, incoherent syllables which yield no interpretation and
    require no repetition, but whose efficacy is patent, revealing siva.s glory.

    Now there is a Mantra series called Sabar Mantra series , which our rishis knew , but there is a 0.00001% chance that some of our rishiputras may know . So knowing tantra, if it is a part of sabar mantra series, is only reliable then .
    this is beautiful, only shiva would inspire confusion for ultimate enlightenment. I love Shiva so much!!

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