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    Red Face neech bhanga rajyoga

    Hello to All, Pranaam to the elders,

    What are the effects of neech bhanga and when does it become a rajyoga? My Venus is in the Lagna of Kanya. Ju is in 10th house aspected by Moon from 4th house. Lagnesh Me, is in 12th house of Leo yuti Surya. So whether seen from Moon or Lagna, there seems to be neech bhanga?
    I was also told that rajyoga occurs only if deb planet is in kendra and dispositor of neech planet is uccha/ mooltrikona, or deb planet is either vakri or aspected by another deb planet? I am really confused. Do I have a raj yoga or not? What does it imply?

    Please shed some light

    RR
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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

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    It is best to first understand the terms so the reader will have an appreciation of what nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga is about.
    • nīca - low, debilitated; it also means humble
    • bhaṅga - breaking , splitting , dividing , shattering , breaking down
    • rāja - a king , sovereign , chief or best of its kind ; note this is not raja which is the pollen of flowers , dust, and can also be emotion , affection as in the quality of passion as found in rajas
    • yoga - union, combination, joining

    We need to start with rāja yoga - what is this? There are various combinations ( yoga-s) that are formed by the graha-s ( some spell grāha¹), literally 100's are possible.
    Say the sun and mercury are together, a union is created and a specific ravi yoga is formed. Yet what makes a union rāja or best?

    In any chart śrī viṣṇu owns ( some says sits) in quadrants or kendra-s ( 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th houses) and śrī lakṣmī sits in the trines ( trikona) 1st, 5th and 9th.
    When viṣṇu and lakṣmī combine or are associated with each other a rāja yoga occurs. That still is 'jyotish speak', what is this 'associated'? When those rulers of kendra-s & trines become connected in some way, combine, co-mingle, etc. then this rāja yoga occurs. For me there are 3 important associations:

    • Two graha-s are conjoined - say the ruler of the 9th house ( a trine) sits with and is resident with the 10th house lord ( a kendra) , we then have a rāja yoga.
    • Two graha-s aspect or 'see' each other there is a rāja yoga i.e. one graha is in the 1st house the other is in the 7th house.
    • Two graha-s exchange signs i.e. the 4th lord is in the 5th house and the 5th house lord is in the 4th house. This is called parivartana or 'exchange' , the turning around, inverting, and it is also protecting and defending.

    This then is a good base-line to continue this idea of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga in the next post.

    Others are welcome to add their understanding of this yoga as they see fit.

    praṇām

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    • graha - a planet ; 'anything seized ' as seizing or influencing the actions of man-kind and for those beings with births on this good earth.
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    Could an rasi aspect also qualify as aspect, or is it only graha dristi?
    Thanks, RR

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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrobin View Post
    Could an rasi aspect also qualify as aspect, or is it only graha dristi? Thanks, RR

    The answer to you question resides in the bṛhat parāśara hora śāstra , 41st chapter. Perhaps you ( or others) can do some research there and come back with an opinion on this matter?

    We know various associations can occur for a yoga to happen:
    • by sight and by sign - i.e. graha dṛśi and rāśi dṛśi ( sounds like drishti)
    • By exchange - parivartana
    • By being in each others nakṣatra
    • By conjunction - being in the same rāśi
    • Also, karāka-s can be part of this association - We see some of thses in chapter 42 of the bṛhat parāśara hora śāstra.

    The question - how do rāja yoga's form ? The answer will not influence the out come of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga.

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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

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    Let's look at this nīca bhaṅga ...


    • nīca - low, debilitated, humble
    • bhaṅga - breaking , splitting , dividing , shattering , breaking down
    • rāja - a king , sovereign , chief or best of its kind ; note this is not raja which is the pollen of flowers , dust, and can also be emotion , affection L. : the quality of passion as found in rajas
    • yoga - union, combination, joining

    The ancient jyotiṣa's brilliantly selected this word nīca. It suggests fallen or lower, or humbled. Yet note if they wished to say powerless they could have said aśakta - unable; incompetent. So this nīca graha still has ability but not the same as if it were in another rāśi (sign). Just a note that this nīca position is 180º away from its ucca position.

    And we know bhaṅga is breaking or shattering. For this use, it is breaking the fallen position of the graha and we call it nīca-bhaṅga. It removes the blemish of this fallen graha.

    How does this occur in the chart? We will review this in the next post.


    praṇām

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    ucca - height, apex of a graha, some call exalted location.
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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

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    Lets take an one example of this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga and use śani ( Saturn) as an example. Where is śani in nīca (debility) ? In Aries. For this example śani will remain in Aries, in nīca.

    And in what sign is śani in ucca ( exaltation) ? In Libra. Who is the owner of the rāśi (sign) in which śani would be exalted (ucca) ?
    That would be śukra or Venus. For śani to have it's nīca (debility) broken or removed, śukra or Venus must reside in its ucca position that is a kendra ( 1st, 4th, 7th or 10th ) counted from the lagna ( ascendent) or from the moon position. This then fulfills nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga , and śani is now in a rāja yoga condition.


    One must immediately ask, where is śukra exalted? In Pisces and its deepest exaltation occurs at 27º Pisces. So, one can work backwards and see where the lagna or moon must be for śani's nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga to occur.

    That is a 'clean view' of this concept, yet in jyotish there are always riders, conditions, exceptions i.e. what if śukra aspects śani? What of the graha that owns Aries ( Mars) , what role does it play? What about the Sun? The Sun is exalted in Aries , and what if it resides in a kendra? What of other graha's that may reside with śani in Aries ? Does it matter if śani is the owner of a kendra ? Is this a requirement?

    What if śani is in exaltation in the D9 ( navamśa) chart? How does this occur ? It must be in Aries between 20º to 23.20 º degrees in Aries in the D1 chart for this to occur. And nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga occurs.
    Can nīca bhaṅga occur and yet not cause a rāja yoga ? (yes).

    All these questions and even more becomes part of one's study and review.

    And when will this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga bear fruit?

    praṇām
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    What are the riders when considering NBY? Is there something like 50% or 75% or 100% rajyaga? That's what is available info on the internet. Also, does this happen only in Rasi chart or other Vargas too?

    Thanks, RR

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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

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    namaste redrobin


    Quote Originally Posted by redrobin View Post
    What are the riders when considering NBY? Is there something like 50% or 75% or 100% rajyaga? That's what is available info on the internet. Also, does this happen only in Rasi chart or other Vargas too? Thanks, RR
    There are many riders. They are offered to suggest the strength and/or purity of nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga . Probably best to get a few books on yoga's overall and then dive in. You mention one , that is the aspect's strengh ( 25%, 50%, 75% and 100%).

    And when will this nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga bear fruit?
    We look to the dāśa periods for help. We look specifically to the houses the nīca bhaṅga rāja yoga includes. This is the hint as to which system use.



    praṇām

    1. dāśa - not sure if this is the proper spelling; Yet we're talking of time period systems such as uḍu ( a lunar mansion or constellation ) based systems or rāśi based systems. Based upon dās 'to give'.
    Last edited by yajvan; 19 October 2015 at 04:51 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: neech bhanga rajyoga

    Thank you, Yajvanji

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