All right dear, why are you making sarcastic comment about my qualities? Is that the only thing you can say after reading the essay? Are you incapable of responding to the points the essay is making that you resort to comments about the person who wrote it?
Originally Posted by darshansingh
Dear, this is juvenile. Please discuss the essay, challenge points, refute them, make a counter-argument, or ignore it. But please, leave the personal slanders out of it. Thanks.
The name of Kaur did not lift one out of anything, just as Believer Ji pointed out. Kaur is the traditional title given to ruling Rajputana for last thousand years. What Guru Gobind Singh Ji did was promote the value and dignity of the woman by calling all girls as "Kaur." So for one thing, Kaur comes from Hindu culture as does "Singh."
For another thing, in purataan times Sikh ladies were called as Ma or Devi. But the implication is exactly the same, the female is always honored, whether in Hindu or Sikh society as Ma, Devi or Prince/Princess. Nowhere is anybody being devalued. When you make such comments, without realizing, you show the bigotry which you have learned believing only "Sikh" community honors it's women and that Hindu community does not. And that is why you get Hindu's challenging you.
Now its high time you put photos of
baba ashutosh, baba dera sacha sauda and nirankari baba and tell everybody that they are sikhs, and what they preach is sikhism.
And who is anybody to say they are not? Why do you think only YOU and YOUR idea of Sikh hierarchy are the exclusive voice of world Sikhism while marginalizing and slandering the traditional communities such as Ram Raiyas, Minas, Udasis, Nirmalas, Sevapanthis, Kabirpanthis and the sects which also came up influenced in some measure by them, Namdharis, Nirankaris, Radhasoamis, Nanaksaris and modernly the dera-sant samaj which would be including Baba Asutosh and dera Sacha Sauda.
Is this all the katha you learn from the Singh Sabhas how everybody with a different interpretation from the mainstream is demonized and inauthentic? You realize there have been 3 assassination teams foiled by Punjab police against Baba Ram Rahim of dera Sacha Sauda? So mainstream endlessly promotes the rhetoric of how they are a danger to Sikh identity, how they are disrespecting Sikh religion and Sikh Gurus, and literally calling for assassinations. Dear, I can't justify this mentality. It is extremist. It is contrary to the actual Gurmat teachings of Guru Sahibaan. It is like taliban.
Now, instead of using the names of dear babas as slurs, expecting to create demonized impression in other people's minds, [B]why don't you tell what you have against them, point by point, logically like an adult. May I ask why you use the names of these dera babas to slander me? I am not from dera Sacha Sauda. I'm not a chela of Baba Asutosh. I'm not a Nirankari.
"Three prominent sect leaders in Punjab - Ashutosh Maharaj, Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh and Baba Piara Bhaniarewala - are on the hit list of Khalistan separatist forces that are trying to regroup with the help of overseas funds and the Pakistani intelligence agency, say Indian security officials.
These Sikh militant forces include the Khalistan Commando Force (KCF), the Babbar Khalsa International (BKI), the Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF), and the Bhindranwale Tigers Force of Khalistan.
Wednesday's arrest of two BKI associates in Jalandhar, Punjab, who were allegedly planning to kill Baba Piara Bhaniarewala only underlines the looming threat. "Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and its terrorist cells are plotting to trigger sectarian violence in Punjab,"
..."They are not only providing shelter to them in our neighbouring country but Khalistan outfits like the BKI is training with Pakistan based terror-outfit like Laskher-e-Taiba (LeT)." Sikh militancy raised its head in Punjab in the 1980s, but security forces comprehensively stamped it out by 1993, forcing many of its leaders to flee the country. Around 25,000 lives were lost in the battle against Sikh separatist terror.
But Khalistan militant groups are now conspiring to eliminate Ashutosh Maharaj of Divya Jyoti Jagaran Sansthan at Noormahal, Baba Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh of Dera Sacha Sauda and Baba Piara Bhaniarewala in Ropar and the heads of other religious sects in Punjab that have a large following. The BKI has reportedly set up a common office with the LeT in Nankana Sahib in Pakistan.
"The BKI and other such outfits, which consistently receive a substantial amount of overseas funding and support for militant groups, from Khalistani operatives in Germany, US, Britain and Canada, have plotted to murder Ashutosh Maharaj, Baba Ram Rahim and Baba Piara Bhaniarewala to give momentum to their campaigns of a separate state by triggering sectarian violence," the official added.
Following the intelligence inputs, the Indian high commission in Ottawa has raised concern with the government here over activities relating to Khalistan movement in Canada. The officials said these extremists were trying to win the support of Punjab youths by targeting the three sect leaders, who have been accused of making people "deviate from Sikh religion"."
Ashutosh Maharaj, Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh and Baba Piara Bhaniarewala - are on the hit list of Khalistan separatist
Yet, in this inflammed atmosphere of literal assassinations, what possible purpose it could serve by smearing me with groups which already have death sentence over their heads by the radical Sikh separatists? May I ask HOW it is you think to come across to Hindu community with such radicalized fanatical opposition demonizing any sanatan oriented groups who challenge the mainstream opinion?
You think marginalization so extreme it creates public slander and even hate speech coming from Sikh mainstream to justify murder? You think we don't read Sikh forums? Because the jathedar of the Akal Takhat is aout as mainstream as you can get.
Why does anybody care what they believe in? How are the beliefs of others a threat to anybody, beliefs which Guru Sahibaan so wonderfully articulated respect and tolerance of. Why does anybody feel they are the Divine right of God to oppress, ridicule, marginalize, invalidate, mock, and make death threats against "another interpretation of Sikh religion?"
Babbar Khalsa terrorist group? Khalistan Zindabad Force militants? To SMASH and CURTAIL and using ANY FORCE NECESSARY to combat the NEFERIOUS DESIGNS of SANTS who challenge the mainstream interpretation?
"Monday April 13th, 2008
To voice their anger against activities of the pseudo cults including NIrankaris, DJJS, Sirsa Dera for undermining Sikh beliefs and the concept of Shabad Guru, members of the organization took out a ‘Khalsa March’ at Amritsar on April 13, 2009 to "expose the evil and nefarious designs" of the pseudo-saints...
The Sikh bodies through a resolution steadfastly maintained that any disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib or any challenge to its guruship will not be tolerated and will be dealt firmly with full force...
Significantly, the Jathedar of the Akal Takht Gaini Gurbachan Singh flagged off the march. He also performed Ardas in memory of 13 Sikhs. Paying rich tributes to them, he called upon the Sikh masses to unite in their pursuit against these pseudo-saints.
Hundreds of Dal Khalsa activists were carrying placards and large size banners displaying pictures of militant leaders including Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale, Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Talwinder Singh Babbar, Wadhawa Singh Babbar and many others. The spirited gathering shouted slogans in their favour for spearheading the militant struggle against “gurudom” and to avenge the killings of 13 Sikhs against neo-Nirankaris in early 80’s. They also eulogized the role and contribution of former jathedar Akal Takht Bhai Ranjit Singh who along with Bhai Kabul Singh allegedly “killed” Nirankari chief responsible for Baisakhi massacre. Large size pictures of Sant Bhindrawale, Sukhdev Singh Babbar, Bhai Ranjit Singh beside those of 13 Sikhs were displayed on the mini-truck...
To ensure unflinching respect for Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh bodies including Damdami Taksal, Akand Kirtani Jatha, Khalsa Action Committee beside Dal Khalsa reiterated that it was a religious and pious duty of every Sikh to defeat the designs of all such sects and cults, which were propagating the concept of "living gurus" contrary to the fundamentals of the Sikh faith.
Striking a discordant chord, the organizers said while the Sikhs are presently engaged in a bitter struggle against the blasphemous acts of the neo-Nirankaris, DJJS led by Aushotosh, Sauda dera, they are emphatically opposed to all schismatic sects including Radhaswami and Namdhari sects as they were also underscoring the fundamentals of Sikh religion in a silent but systematic manner.
The gathering observed that the anti-Sikh network of likes of Gurmeet Ram Rahim, Aushotosh would have to be curtailed and smashed to uphold the fundamentals of Sikhism. The gathering sought a complete ban on Sirsa dera, DJJS, and complicity of those police and civil officers supporting these cults to be scrutinized...
Tracing its roots to Baisakhi incident, party spokesperson Kanwar Pal Singh said many radical organizations including Babbar Khalsa, Dal Khalsa came into being with avowed aim to curtail the blasphemous acts of the pseudo-sects.
Khalsa March sends strong warning to pseudo-saints, astray cults and sects: Disrespect to Guru Granth Sahib or any challenge to its Guruship will not be tolerated
Yes, I've been saying for a few years now, Sikh Sabha separatist Sikhism has gone way past the point of no return. Not only is the mainstream marginalizing, trivializing and negating the TRADITIONAL SANATAN interpretations, it has positively declared WAR ON THEM!~
And this is nothing short of a war against the Hindu Dharma these groups all have in common.