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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by sm78 View Post
    All sages and teachers have stressed the need for a perfectly healthy body
    Again, this is clearly not the case. Though body is in fact important, never it is stressed that PERFECT body is required for spiritual sadhana.

    Atman is not body, remember Upanishads .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna View Post
    Again, this is clearly not the case. Though body is in fact important, never it is stressed that PERFECT body is required for spiritual sadhana.

    Atman is not body, remember Upanishads .
    A good healthy and strong body is indeed important for sadhana.

    There is a verse in the upanishads ...

    "The atman is not for the weak ." --- upanishads


    Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna have also emphasized physical fitness for fast spiritual growth.

    " A healthy mind in a healthy body, " as the european proverb goes.

    Thus it is only natural that only in a healthy body, can the mind be tamed and controlled with success.
    You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

    ---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


    You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.

    ---Buddha

    The history of the world is the history of a few men who had faith in themselves. That faith calls out the divinity within. You can do anything.

    ---Swami Vivekananda

    No man should be unmanned by the magnitude of any task.

    --- Tiruvalluvar ( Thirukkural )

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by yudhamanyu View Post
    A good healthy and strong body is indeed important for sadhana.

    There is a verse in the upanishads ...

    "The atman is not for the weak ." --- upanishads


    Swami Vivekananda, Ramakrishna have also emphasized physical fitness for fast spiritual growth.

    " A healthy mind in a healthy body, " as the european proverb goes.

    Thus it is only natural that only in a healthy body, can the mind be tamed and controlled with success.

    Namaskar yudhamanyu,

    "The atman is not for the weak ." --- upanishads

    Does the above mean only 'weak of body'?
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

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    Namaskar yudhamanyu,

    "The atman is not for the weak ." --- upanishads

    Does the above mean only 'weak of body'?

    Both a strong body and a strong mind is emphasized here.
    You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

    ---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


    You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.

    ---Buddha

    The history of the world is the history of a few men who had faith in themselves. That faith calls out the divinity within. You can do anything.

    ---Swami Vivekananda

    No man should be unmanned by the magnitude of any task.

    --- Tiruvalluvar ( Thirukkural )

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by yudhamanyu View Post
    Both a strong body and a strong mind is emphasized here.
    Namaste,Yes. Strong mind means a concentrated mind of stable intent with strong will to stay the course. Though an healthy body, definitely adds to the advantage of steady will.Om
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    Namaste,Yes. Strong mind means a concentrated mind of stable intent with strong will to stay the course. Though an healthy body, definitely adds to the advantage of steady will.Om

    A healthy mind exists in a healthy body.

    The upanishads themselves teach that a healthy body is required for effective mental and spiritual pursuits.



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    In chess a small mistake can cost you the game. If you are tired then you make errors in calculations. I go to the gym everyday and it helps me concentrate longer. Especially when you play a tough tournament you need to conserve energy for the last rounds.

    ( Vishwanathan Anand is the 2000 world chess champion and the current 2007 world champion as well. )
    You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

    ---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


    You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.

    ---Buddha

    The history of the world is the history of a few men who had faith in themselves. That faith calls out the divinity within. You can do anything.

    ---Swami Vivekananda

    No man should be unmanned by the magnitude of any task.

    --- Tiruvalluvar ( Thirukkural )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna View Post
    Here i used this term in specific meaning it has in KSh context.
    And Ur assumption is incorrect; Tantric systems do have 5 or 3 M (mIna and mudrA are later additions) but their ultimate method is shAmbhavopAya which leads to "recognition" (pratyabhijnA); while Kaula system goes further to jagadAnanda which is solely reached via Kula-yAga or kAmakalA.
    Namaste Arjuna,

    What is the philosophical significance of LokAnanda/jagadAnanda, when death is certain and so mahApralaya ... ??

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    As per tantric systems, there are Daksha, Vama, Kaula and Samaya ... later 2 transcends the first 2. But I know, there is a lot of controversy regarding the last...though I now know practitioners exists of the same, and the path is not a myth.
    What is Here, is Elsewhere. What is not Here, is Nowhere.

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by yudhamanyu View Post
    A healthy mind exists in a healthy body.
    ----
    Viswanathan Anand:- In chess a small mistake can cost you the game. If you are tired then you make errors in calculations. I go to the gym everyday and it helps me concentrate longer. Especially when you play a tough tournament you need to conserve energy for the last rounds.

    ( Vishwanathan Anand is the 2000 world chess champion and the current 2007 world champion as well. )
    Namaste,

    You seem to disregard that from Atma is the mind and from mind is the body.

    "When you are tired" again may mean tiredness of mind and body. The wrestlers and the world champion body builders should be the best qualified, it seems, as per you?

    Om
    That which is without letters (parts) is the Fourth, beyond apprehension through ordinary means, the cessation of the phenomenal world, the auspicious and the non-dual. Thus Om is certainly the Self. He who knows thus enters the Self by the Self.

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Hari Om
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjuna View Post
    Again, this is clearly not the case. Though body is in fact important, never it is stressed that PERFECT body is required for spiritual sadhana.

    In fairness to Arjuna, his point is well made... the body does not have to be perfect for sadhana. Yet a healthy body is very desirable and needed for ones spiritual pursuits.

    Yet I think Arjuna is also appreciating that the mind alone, completely isolated from the body, does not happen. There is this symbiotic relationship between the two. The wise say, in the end , there is no difference, it is one whole.


    pranams,
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Yoga-vasistha

    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post
    Namaste,

    You seem to disregard that from Atma is the mind and from mind is the body.

    Dear pal ata . What i said was with regard to the upanishadic verse , "The atman is not for the weak ."

    Only those who are physically and mentally strong can realise the Atman .

    Is this so hard to understand. Perhaps u should do some martial arts or bodybuilding to understand these subtle concepts .

    As I said before , "A healthy mind in a healthy body. "



    Quote Originally Posted by atanu View Post

    "When you are tired" again may mean tiredness of mind and body. The wrestlers and the world champion body builders should be the best qualified, it seems, as per you?

    Om
    Best qualified for what !!!!!!!!!!

    For the realisation of the atman .!!

    In that case, yes !!!

    Those who are physically and mentally strong can realise the atman faster, than those who are weaker.

    Swami Vivekananda, Shirdi Sai Baba , Krishna were wrestlers in their youth.

    Swami Vivekananda gave a lot of importance to bodybuilding , as he stated that those with a strong body can control the mind easier and faster than those with weak bodies.

    Vivekananda himself was a bodybuilder, a champion athlete and wrestler and had studied martial arts as well.

    Rama was known for his superb physical fitness.

    Swami Sivananda was an expert in martial arts.

    Buddha was a martial artist too , and was known for his prowess in archery.

    He himself taught that good health is needed for spiritual progress.

    Bodhidharma, the Indian buddhist enlightened master and founder of Zen Buddhism, himself taught Kung Fu to the buddhist monks in the Shaolin temple , when he noticed their lethargy and lack of vigour and toughness, which was important for spiritual progress.

    RAmana Maharshi too was noted for his physical fitness and strength in his youth.

    Meher Baba was a good sportsman in his youth.

    Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, was into bodybuilding in his teenage years, and used to swim and run a lot , in order to build up his body.

    Swami Dayananda Saraswati too was noted for his exceptional physical strength and physical fitness.
    You yourself are your only friend. You yourself are your only enemy.

    ---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )


    You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.

    ---Buddha

    The history of the world is the history of a few men who had faith in themselves. That faith calls out the divinity within. You can do anything.

    ---Swami Vivekananda

    No man should be unmanned by the magnitude of any task.

    --- Tiruvalluvar ( Thirukkural )

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