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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Comparing dvaita to semitic religions is foolish and even if it did compare, it's predujiced to disregard it, because similarities with Islam or Christianity. For example, Krishna sounds similar to Christ, doesn't mean we should stop worshipping Krishna.

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    I understand what Kumar Das is trying to say here. I too have studied Madhvacharya's philosophy and come to the same conclusion. Madhva's monotheism is stricter than Islam or Christianity because unlike Christianity, he does not show a holy trinity but instead he has shown Vishnu as the only God and the only manifestation of God. Also, God in Dvaita is more definite than Islam's Allah whose properties are left to be unknown (as he is always regarded as being formless but the Wahhabis and Salafis claim that they will behold Allah's form in Jannah- that being the greatest pleasure of paradise) while everything about Vishnu is known and His great attributes are expounded ad inifnitum by Sri Madhvacharya and instead of dismissing the other Hindu gods, he has subjugated them to Vishnu in his hierarchy with Vishnu being the Infinite and Unmatchable at the top, His Shakti Lakshmi next, and then others like Brahma, and the foremost Vaishnava Lord Shiva on lower rungs.
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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun The Vaishnava View Post
    I understand what Kumar Das is trying to say here. I too have studied Madhvacharya's philosophy and come to the same conclusion. Madhva's monotheism is stricter than Islam or Christianity because unlike Christianity, he does not show a holy trinity but instead he has shown Vishnu as the only God and the only manifestation of God. Also, God in Dvaita is more definite than Islam's Allah whose properties are left to be unknown (as he is always regarded as being formless but the Wahhabis and Salafis claim that they will behold Allah's form in Jannah- that being the greatest pleasure of paradise) while everything about Vishnu is known and His great attributes are expounded ad inifnitum by Sri Madhvacharya and instead of dismissing the other Hindu gods, he has subjugated them to Vishnu in his hierarchy with Vishnu being the Infinite and Unmatchable at the top, His Shakti Lakshmi next, and then others like Brahma, and the foremost Vaishnava Lord Shiva on lower rungs.
    Actually Sri Madhva's vaiShNavism is quite liberal while compared to several other vaishNava-s. He accorded a place to all vedic Gods in his system unlike some others who completely disregarded all other dieties. You would find Madhva priests in shiva temples even today because their system has not tabooed it.

    Sri Madhva does not say that everything about about viShNu is known. He says that the Lord is knowable to some extent through the mind and words, but his glory cannot be captured fully by the veda. Infact in his system the Lord has an infinite number of manifestations and how would that come under the "known" category?

    Any vedic religion is heads and shoulders above Islam and christianity any day.
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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudarshan View Post
    Actually Sri Madhva's vaiShNavism is quite liberal while compared to several other vaishNava-s. He accorded a place to all vedic Gods in his system unlike some others who completely disregarded all other dieties. You would find Madhva priests in shiva temples even today because their system has not tabooed it.

    Sri Madhva does not say that everything about about viShNu is known. He says that the Lord is knowable to some extent through the mind and words, but his glory cannot be captured fully by the veda. Infact in his system the Lord has an infinite number of manifestations and how would that come under the "known" category?
    "Greater even than the scriptures is the Lord Himself"

    Any vedic religion is heads and shoulders above Islam and christianity any day.

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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Kumar das,
    Thank you for sharing this. Can you recommend a resource to study this specific topic further? I am fairly new and need guidance from those who are more advanced. Thank you.

    Haribol,
    Jagadananda

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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sudarshan View Post
    Any vedic religion is heads and shoulders above Islam and christianity any day.
    I agree, how does being more hardcore in its monotheism make it any less that islam or christianity?
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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    I missed this post...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arjun The Vaishnava View Post
    I understand what Kumar Das is trying to say here. I too have studied Madhvacharya's philosophy and come to the same conclusion.
    From a Guru belonging to Shri Madhva's parampara?

    Madhva's monotheism is stricter than Islam or Christianity because unlike Christianity, he does not show a holy trinity but instead he has shown Vishnu as the only God and the only manifestation of God. Also, God in Dvaita is more definite than Islam's Allah whose properties are left to be unknown
    Nowhere did Shri Madhvacharya ever dare utter such a heresy. Lord Vishnu's comprehension is over all things, whereas for humans it is not so. As such humans can never know all of Lord Vishnu's attributes completely. Infact in Dvaita, Lord Vishnu is called as "the Greatest Mystery".

    (as he is always regarded as being formless


    but the Wahhabis and Salafis claim that they will behold Allah's form in Jannah- that being the greatest pleasure of paradise) while everything about Vishnu is known and His great attributes are expounded ad inifnitum by Sri Madhvacharya
    Sure, sure.

    and instead of dismissing the other Hindu gods, he has subjugated them to Vishnu in his hierarchy with Vishnu being the Infinite and Unmatchable at the top, His Shakti Lakshmi next, and then others like Brahma, and the foremost Vaishnava Lord Shiva on lower rungs.
    When did Shri Madhva say that?
    Last edited by Kumar_Das; 04 January 2011 at 02:31 PM.

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    Re: Do you consider Madhvacharya to be too "hardcore"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kumar_Das View Post
    If muhammadans encountered Advaita they would say "what is this heresy?! God and man are not the same!" and would have them killed, not being able to see the beauty and sophistication of Shankarachary's philosophy.

    Thats all those losers can do.

    Madhvacharya used Advaita to exactly demonstrate the uniqueness of God. Deconstructing it from every angle on every level possible to demonstrate monotheism.

    So I am offended when people accuse Dvaita Vada as being "similar" to Christianity or Islam.

    Because all they would have done was to say, "when ye prostate for worship, will ye take any beside ye Lord? What benefit does it do to those who do as such? For those who indeed do such, a grevious punishment awaits them. But most of them know not!".

    Isnt that what the quran is, pages after pages?
    I don't believe anyone is near to achieve godhood, because is god willpower, affection, or knowledge? and what to do with these states of minds.
    to be like god you'd have to be a raving lunatic who experiments with all there is. (especially women!)
    knowledge doesn't come from nothing. but of course your buddhi (instinct) will often make you realise situations that take your path. but you'd be hypersensitive as well and need to be able to hold back until further notice at any time!

    what is god? god is everything and everyone. but we are just little personalities based on other personalities. never just claim enlightenment even if you've realised a few steps higher. there is no end to enlightenment.

    but whether you're fit for nirvana is something that will be judged. the highest heaven might be full of krishna's, shiva's, parvati's, kali's. who knows. you can't judge until you know everything .. ... .. like god.

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