Recommendation: jalpa

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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namasté

I have a recommendation for HDF. On occasion there are words that are traded with one member to another i.e. darts from the lips.
Somethings it cannot be helped that some friction arises and we end-up with jalpa ( arguments for the sake of victory over another). taking issue with a person's style or behavior vs. what one has written as an idea , response or concept.

Here is what I propose as an idea. Create a 'jalpa' folder in the Canteen area. Then one can take their issue there and the parties in question ( 2 or more) can then debate, exchange words as they see fit.
Why do this? Why take it to a separate place? When this jalpa occurs within a string it blemishes the concept and the stream of conscious that is taking place within that particular forum.

The parties can take their issues there. If this does not occur under one's own motivation, then the HDF Administrator can 'pickup and transfer' the jalpa to this folder and leave a note that the posts have been moved accordingly.

I look to others for their feedback on this, and to our Administrator, satya for his assessment.

praṇām

[Onkara]

namast�
I like the idea! Argument can be constructive in the right environment

[Eastern Mind]

Vannakkam Yajvan: I agree in principle. Even if the two (if there are only two) agree to go to PMing each other would be fine. But I am unsure of the practicality of asking Satay to do more than he already does ... which is provide us with this forum, and moderate it well. Also, sometimes the whole idea of 'friction' is up for debate, as I think both you and I at least have experienced. Language that contains idioms for example may easily be misinterpreted by another, when there really was no harm or arrow intended. Often a general comment is taken personally.

Aum Namasivaya

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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namasté EM,

Vannakkam Yajvan: I agree in principle. Even if the two (if there are only two) agree to go to PMing each other would be fine. But I am unsure of the practicality of asking Satay to do more than he already does ... which is provide us with this forum, and moderate it well. Also, sometimes the whole idea of 'friction' is up for debate, as I think both you and I at least have experienced. Language that contains idioms for example may easily be misinterpreted by another, when there really was no harm or arrow intended. Often a general comment is taken personally. Aum Namasivaya

Yes, I see your point... Billy really didn't mean to insult Sally's intelligence or her inability to ___________ ( fill in the blank). This can be worked out. But IMHO work it out in PM's.
When that does not occur then I think intervention from our Admin may be in due order.

Now it must be up to our Admin to assess his bandwidth and determine if this is possible for him to accomplish. We should see what his comments are regarding this matter.

Being on HDF for some time I have seen issues swell ( turn sour) and tempers flare. What good comes from this I do not know. Many say from friction a fire is born, yet many with the sticks use them as clubs and the fire is never created for the benefit of others.


We have offered different ideas to mitigate this concern yet none bear fruit. I think this approach is simple and can provide for a healthier environment , yet my views are bias.

praṇām

[satay]

Namaste,
Well, we can definitely create a new folder called jalpa and move posts/threads accordingly. That's not an issue.

The main issue is to 'detect' that jalpa is going on because it gets mingled with good posts. For example, if sally hits harry with some remarks, harry might post something that is very good but include some 'jalpaying' (my own word) remarks of his own. Now, in that case, do I move the whole post or thread to jalpa or just some posts there.

I rely on members to report such posts. Once I get a report either via PM or email, I take swift and quick action (as much as possible).

Second issue, I myself get caught in this 'jalpa' more often than I would like. If you see this happening, I would like the esteemed members to PM me or email me and advice so that I can see the forest for the trees and possibly stop before I make an a$$ out of myself and others.

That said, definitely, we can create a Jalpa folder and I can move posts there.

Thanks,

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
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namasté satya,

Namaste,
Well, we can definitely create a new folder called jalpa and move posts/threads accordingly. That's not an issue.

The main issue is to 'detect' that jalpa is going on because it gets mingled with good posts. For example, if sally hits harry with some remarks, harry might post something that is very good but include some 'jalpaying' (my own word) remarks of his own. Now, in that case, do I move the whole post or thread to jalpa or just some posts there.

I rely on members to report such posts. Once I get a report either via PM or email, I take swift and quick action (as much as possible).

Second issue, I myself get caught in this 'jalpa' more often than I would like. If you see this happening, I would like the esteemed members to PM me or email me and advice so that I can see the forest for the trees and possibly stop before I make an a$$ out of myself and others.

That said, definitely, we can create a Jalpa folder and I can move posts there. Thanks,

Thank you for your feedback... Let me test my understanding ( so far):
1. Many , and there is just a few so far, think this idea has merit.
2. It is operationally possible - as you have offered your kind assistance to get this done.
3. Reporting this jalpa - this will be done to you in a PM or any other method you prefer.
It seems this jalpa should be self-evident in your eyes but if not I suggest you ask for the infraction that you may not see.
3a. If you become caught in this net, it will be the responsibility of some of the Sr. Members to call this to your attention and consume the same medicine that is offered to others i.e. your post in full or in part will be re-located to the jalpa folder.

4. Regarding the part of the post that may be co-mingled with jalpa. My recommendation is do what is needed. If you think to just remove the issue, i.e. condescending words, etc. and send it to the jalpa folder then that is the action to take. If you think a complete extraction is needed then pursue that. Why would a complete extraction (the whole post of the individual ) be needed? To insure the context is preserved on why Sally thinks Billy is an intellectual midget or for holding a view that is obtuse to Sally's POV said with words that are condesending.

Again , why do this? To preserve the quality of the post that is in-process and to not co-mingle personal agendas between two or
more members that choose to debate-deride or cajole negative communication unrelated to the HDF post that is being pursued.

praṇām