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Originally Posted by amra
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He doesn't even have the courtesy to tell us which Baba ji, as a proclaimed "Sikh" you would think he would know. Perhaps he meant Guru Gobind Singh Ji whose own father Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji laid down his life to defend those same Hindu's and was martyred for refusing forced conversion under torture to Islam. And also Guru Gobind Singh Ji whose 2 eldest sons were killed in combat fighting Mughals under Aurangzeb. The Sikhs were bitterly betrayed and massive force arrayed against them. Was this the same Baba Ji whose 2 youngest sons were bricked alive and tortured to death for refusing to convert to Islam, while his very own mother, Mata Gujri Sahiba Ji died from sorrow after their martyrdom and also from neglect having been locked in the freezing cold tower at advanced age.
Was THIS the Baba Ji he was talking about? Seriously? Because this Guru was also betrayed by collaborators among own Sikhs too. ut enemy of Dharma was always Muslim jihadis who wrought all this turmoil and destruction in the first place. There were some 70,000 mandirs destroyed by jihadis over the centuries in an attempted cultural genocide.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji's father is praised in this bani:
ਹਰੀਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਸੁਤ ਵਏ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਤੇ ਤੇਗ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਭਏ ॥੧੨॥Chamak De Taare
darookrisan tin ke sut vae|| Tin te Teg Bahaadar bhae||12||
Har Krishan (the next Guru) was his son; after him, Tegh Bahadur became the Guru.
ਤਿਲਕ ਜੰਵੂ ਰਾਖਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤਾ ਕਾ ॥ ਕੀਨੋ ਬਡੋ ਕਲੂ ਮਹਿ ਸਾਕਾ ॥
Tilak janjhoo raakhaa Prabh taa kaa|| Koono bado kaloo maih saakaa||
He protected the forehead mark and sacred thread which marked a great event in the Iron age.
ਸਾਧਨ ਹੇਤਿ ਇਤੀ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਰੀ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸੀ ਨ ਉਚਰੀ ॥੧੩॥
Saadhan het(i) itoo jin(i) daroo|| Soos(u) dooaa par soo na ucdaroo||13||
For the sake of saints, he laid down his head without even a sign.
ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤਿ ਸਾਕਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥ ਸੀਸੁ ਦੀਆ ਪਰ ਸਿਰਰੁ ਨ ਦੀਆ ॥
Dharam het(i) saakaa jin kooaa|| Soos(u) dooaa par sirar(u) na dooaa||
For the sake of Dharma, he sacrificed himself. He laid down his head but not his creed.
~Shri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji p. 131
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You know manything in the right way, but you have a wrong part too
Many of Guru saviours were Brahmans
Bhai Mati Dass
Bhai Sati Dass
Banda Bahadur
were Brahman too
Ranjit Singh's General Hari Singh Nalva was also a brahman
Some anti-brahmin writers changed them to other clans, just to claim that it was Gangu brahman who deceived Guru and that brahmans have nothing to do with those gurus.
It were all Muslims who killed Gurus and their families, as for what amara says, Guru's fights with Hindu chiefs you are right no Hindu was in war with Gurus, but there were several Hindus in Mughal Army, Muslims use them to fight for Muslim invade, they also used Rajputs against Marathas.
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PARAM writes:
Bhai Mati Das Ji and Bhai Sati Das Ji were brahmins, that is correct. Bhai Gurdas Ji, the kunji to Adi Granth was a Chhibar brahmin. Banda Bahadur Ji was called bairaagi Madho Laxman Das, he was a Minhas Rajput and his Bandai Khalsa regiment were largely Rajputs and married a daughter of the Shivalik Hill Rajas (Rajputs). He was not a brahmin. Hari Singh Nalwa Ji was an Uppal Khatri and not a brahmin.You know manything in the right way, but you have a wrong part too
Many of Guru saviours were Brahmans
Bhai Mati Dass
Bhai Sati Dass
Banda Bahadur
were Brahman too
Ranjit Singh's General Hari Singh Nalva was also a brahman
I don't understand what part I have wrong since I haven't really delved into the caste aspect of Sikhi history in this thread. Neither can I see any point which it relates. Perhaps you can inform me Jio.
"Hari Singh Nalwa, Maharaja Ranjit Singh's most feared general was an Uppal Khatri. The father and son pair of the Diwans Sawan Mal and Mul Raj Chopra were successive governors of Multan under Ranjit Singh...
A majority of Khatris are Sanatan Hindus. As noted in the introduction, the Khatri community have been positioned in roles of administration, rule and warfare within Punjab. The Khatris were the patrons ('yajamansas' or in Punjabi 'jajmani') of the Saraswat Brahmins. The Khatris are among the very few non-Brahmin communities that have traditionally studies the vedas. The Khatris, along with Aroras and Lohanas used to be engaged in trade in central asia. The Hindu temples of Kabul and the Hindu Fire Temple of Baku built and maintained by them still exist. ..
A portion of the Khatris are Sikh. All the Ten Sikh Gurus were Khatris from the Sodhi and Bedi clans (which claim Surya Banshi Kshatriya descent). During the lifetime of the Gurus, most of their major supporters and Sikhs were Khatris. A list of this is provided by Bhai Gurdas in Varan Bhai Gurdas, a contemporary of the Sikh Gurus." KhatriRajputs are claiming Banda Singh Bahadur as a Rajput. I know of no source where brahmins are claiming him. Khatris are claiming Hari Singh Nalwa. Do you have any reference citations to show anywhere they are being claimed as brahmins?"But in 1192, Muhammad Ghori defeated Prithviraj Chauhan at the second battle of Terrain and took control of this district. So perhaps somewhere between the late 11th century and 16th century, a Rajput family migrated from this area to the Punjab. There are many reasons for this migration; the area of Sadhaura is noted in history because its Hindus were persecuted so widely under Islamic rule. For example, Banda Singh Bahadur, a Rajput Sikh warrior who seized territory for the Khalsa, liberated Sadhaura by killing its tyrannical ruler Usman Khan in 1709 because the Hindus were persecuted so badly by the Muslims. So probably between 1200-1500, a Mair Rajput family from Sadhaura migrated to Punjab and settled in Lasara village. To retain the history of their original ancestral town, they may have named themselves after the town of Sadhaura in Haryana."
It is believed that the name of the town "Sadhaura" is derived from "Sadhu + Raha," which means "the way of saints." This meaning seems to be logical, as the way to the Himalayas is near this town. The town of Sadhaura also has a number of ancient temples. It is bounded by the Shivalik range to the north." Notable Mair Rajput Gothras (Families)
Eh, proof? And anyways I do agree with you many nerfarious Singh Sabha Tat Khalsay have tried to eliminate the rich brahmin contribution to Sikhism and dominate with Jat politics, of this there can be no doubt. They have tried to make Hindu's appear to be enemies of Sikhs. But for a fact, many well known and respected Vedic scholars who were chelas/sikhs of the guru Sahibaan were Brahmin caste and even educated the children of Guru Sahibaan own families. And for a fact Hindu's were completely disunited militarily and politically at this stage of history. And for another fact, the enemy of the Sikhs was Mughal jihadis and their Hindu collaborators.Some anti-brahmin writers changed them to other clans, just to claim that it was Gangu brahman who deceived Guru and that brahmans have nothing to do with those gurus.
Yes, the Guru Sahibaan warned against treasonous fake Hindu's who colluded with the enemy and became "butchers of the world." Same can be said for treasonous Sikhs who betrayed Sikh Kingdom of Maharaja Ranjit Singh to the British for status, jagirs and wealth. These divisions within Hindustan were always the cause of defeats. Had there been unity Hindustan would have been the greatest force the world has ever seen.It were all Muslims who killed Gurus and their families, as for what amara says, Guru's fights with Hindu chiefs you are right no Hindu was in war with Gurus, but there were several Hindus in Mughal Army, Muslims use them to fight for Muslim invade, they also used Rajputs against Marathas.
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On other hand Banda Bahadur and Hari Singh Nalva are also known as from Chibber clan.
There are many ways to call him-
Harjinder Singh Dilgeer -Rajput
Ganda Singh -Dogra Rajput (but Dogra is a Brahman clan)
H.A. Rose - both Rajput and Khatri
P.N. Bali - Mohyal Brahman
Hakim Rai -Khatri
J D Chunnigham - South Indian
Major Barstow- Maratha Peshva
Kahan Singh Nabha- Minhas Rajput
Sukhdyal Singh- Bahadur Shah's General
According to some Banda Bahadur was born in Mendhar village of Poonch in Shivalik ranges, in Jammu & Kashmir, in a Chhibber family on 27 October, 1670. His original name was Lakhsman Dev and that of his father Ram Dev.
Many writers are trying to show even Mati Dass as of Bhalla clan, but he was the ancestor of Dr. Bhai Mahavir who is not accepting their claim.
You already know so I do not need to give any proof, I never said every Sikh do that, many Sikhs still go to Brahman Sabhas of there original clans.Eh, proof? And anyways I do agree with you many nerfarious Singh Sabha Tat Khalsay have tried to eliminate the rich brahmin contribution to Sikhism and dominate with Jat politics, of this there can be no doubt. They have tried to make Hindu's appear to be enemies of Sikhs. But for a fact, many well known and respected Vedic scholars who were chelas/sikhs of the guru Sahibaan were Brahmin caste and even educated the children of Guru Sahibaan own families. And for a fact Hindu's were completely disunited militarily and politically at this stage of history. And for another fact, the enemy of the Sikhs was Mughal jihadis and their Hindu collaborators.
The wrost part is Muslims are using this to claim that Sikhs fighted Hindus.Yes, the Guru Sahibaan warned against treasonous fake Hindu's who colluded with the enemy and became "butchers of the world." Same can be said for treasonous Sikhs who betrayed Sikh Kingdom of Maharaja Ranjit Singh to the British for status, jagirs and wealth. These divisions within Hindustan were always the cause of defeats. Had there been unity Hindustan would have been the greatest force the world has ever seen.
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Panjabi-Sikh youth clash with perverts!
Gangs Clash!!
7th March 2007
Three men were injured as youth gangs fought in Bradford on Friday night. About 10 Panjabi Sikh youth made their way to a council estate in Bradford, Yorkshire, where they believed a Panjabi girl was kept against her will and being exploited by a gang of perverted Pakistani Muslim men.
It follows the mysterious disappearance of Miss “S” from Derby University, where she was studying for a Master’s Degree.
Worried family and friends said she became “distant” over the few weeks leading to her disappearance.
Sikh students on campus were alarmed to see her driven around by local Pakistani drug pushers in the early hours of the night.
“I have known her (Miss “S”) for 3 years, she has always been sensible and kept good company. We are all very concerned about her safety, said a fellow student.
After speaking to the girl’s parents, Panjabi Sikh youth were convinced that this was another case of blackmail, brainwashing or manipulation by predatory Pakistani Muslim men. The whereabouts of Miss “S” was traced to a flat in Bradford.
“We went there with the intention of speaking to Miss “S”, just to see if she was okay, but were nevertheless prepared to meet violent opposition” said Teja Singh, who was present during the confrontation,
“We were greeted with racist abuse by one man, and within 5 minutes three cars full of youth showed up, that’s when things got a bit ugly. After a few initial exchanges of words, it kicked off. We fought and chased them down the main road, and dispersed when the police arrived” explained Teja Singh.
“It’s not about childish street gang fights or about dominance, I don’t give a **** about all that. I will not stand by while our Sikh sisters are being exploited! I would have done the same if the gang were of any race. We are not racist, we are just protecting our sisters from perverts” said another youth present that evening.
Miss “S” made contact with her family that night and members of her family picked her up from Bradford in the early hours of Saturday morning.
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With increasing cases of racially-motivated grooming and sexual-exploitation of Panjabi girls by extremist Muslim Men, Sikh students are being told to be vigilant, especially of:
Disguise
Non-Sikhs wearing Kara’s, fake names or fake identities on the Internet.
Drug Rape Drug
A common entrapment method; do not leave your drink unattended in bars/clubs.
Affected by issues raised?
Know someone in danger?
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bastard sullas....
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...lam/article.do
That Evil Quran is the reason why nonmuslims girls must be CONVERTED, as some of you realize. For those who are ignorant of what the Quran says, here is the verse:
And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful. Quran 2:221
-the language is clear.
-this, of course, extends to the unforced type of conversion, Hindu/Sikh girl. The justifications for kidnapping/rape are elsewhere, primarily in the Hadiths.
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Yes, this has been going on for some time. There was a well known street gang known as Sher e Punjab which still has a lot of respect in the Sikh community because they were formed to rescue Sikh girls from a life of coerced conversion and/or prostitution by Muslims.
It's old news, still happening. The only thing that's shocking is the public is so unaware. Even when it's in their face, they simply don't want to believe the "religion of peace" can do these things.
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hmm but some times i feel its happening for good only... az if this thing wont happen then these people wiill start barking about all those dead things like khalistan .... i mean this all happening mostly in UK...az paki crowd there more,,and because of this i hardly see any UK sikh is pro khalistan..as they are busy in handeling like these girl convertion situations.
And on other hand canada sikhs and some from usa are more pro khalistani then any sikh around the world...wait a min,,do paki crowd less there,,,yesss, but now they increasing in canada too...soo there too will be situation like wat its now in UK..thatz mean end of remaining handfull off khalistani propogenda in canada too.
and that girl in that video is so shameless...as by her poor mother that sulla saying dirt about sikhism..that "meh marjana but tum sikho ke gurudware sir nahi jhukana" ..
iske toh meh, serious i want to meet like this people personally..bloody sulla if i was there then sure i will chop of urs head and throw in urs sh*t mosque ...useless man made barbaric religion.
and what these singa's r doing...are they busy in drinking or doing bhangra only !
and so called khalistani peeing in their pants ? and shouting raj karega khalsa..oh yeaaah fatu's
but seriously these girls really dont have brain,they simply cant understand wat these sullas want...only conversation.
Rightly said too much freedom in any field or for womens is dangerous.
Last edited by prithvi; 28 September 2010 at 05:05 AM.
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Skimmed over the thread, was quite interesting...
From whatever I have learnt , soul of any religion is not bad.
Once its followers dilute/manipulate the original teachings, things get ugly, be it any religion.
Everything is karma. The video of the lady showing crying for her daughter, may be the daughter did something super bad to the guy.
We all live our karma...Even though some religions deny past life, but what abt those babies born handicapped??
Guru Nanak ji said Sarb rog ka aukhad keval naam...
Its meditation & chanting that can save you from sanchit karma.
Blessed be
Last edited by shambhvi; 10 November 2010 at 01:06 PM.
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may be, but not necessarily........
the concept of karma, its very complicated....
to my understanding a person with no bad karma could sometimes be affected by the karma of others.
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