We & Spirituality Advocates

[jasdir]

* We have seen the external Gurus; Spirituality advocates, behold the internal True Guru.
* We have seen the external Thakurs; Spirituality advocates, see the internal True Thakur.
* We have seen the external temples; Spirituality advocates, see the internal True Temple.
* We have read the external Shastras (holy books); Spirituality advocates, read the internal True Shastra.
* We have listened the external Bhajans; Spirituality advocates, listen the internal True Bhajan (Divine Melody).
* We have readed the external Kathas(spiritual discources); Spirituality advocates, read the internal True Kathas.
* We have recited the external Names; Spirituality advocates, meditate on the internal True Names (Word) which is constantly resounding by itself.
* We have listened to the external Kirtan (Hymns); Spirituality advocates, listen to the internal True Kirtan.
* We have gained the external bookish knowledge; Spirituality advocates, acquire the internal True Knowledge.
* We have tasted the external Amrit (Nectar); Spirituality advocates, drink the internal True Nectar of Immortality.
* We have bathed at the external places of pilgrimage; Spirituality advocates, bathe at the internal True place of Pilgrimage.
* We have practised the external sectarian worship; Spirituality advocates, also practise the internal True Worship.

So now there is a Q: for the forum members who are agreed with these obove lines :
Than Why Are We Roaming Outside ?
Comments of any type regarding the post are HUMBLY welcomed.

_/\_Namaste by Jasdir.

[Harjas Kaur]

So now there is a Q: for the forum members who are agreed with these obove lines :

Sorry, I don't agree at all.

Than Why Are We Roaming Outside ?

There is a wonderful saying. "He who constitutes himself his own disciple is the disciple of a fool."

We live in the material world. Yet we also coexist in more than one spiritual dimension while embodied. The human body is precious because this is the vehicle and instrument through which to attain liberation. So there is something to embodiment and materiality which positively impacts our spiritual development.

If all our guidance and lessons could be learned from purely interiorized processes and intuition, then really why would embodiment be considered a precious gift?

Perhaps this perspective overlooks something. Unless you witness firsthand the pain of others by the grief in their faces, the moaning of their crying, perhaps the blood and wounds, then it is possible our "interior" notions of compassion have no relationship to the real world.

And if we are only in relationship to ourselves and our "ideas" about spirituality, we might miss the grace of interaction which pulls us out of the delusive bondage of our own "ideas" about life.

So don't overlook that human beings as multi-dimensional beings have as much to learn from the physical processes of simple things like relating with the body through acts of humility such as touching the ground with your forehead, or gently reciting mantras as gift of external praise to something greater than the Master of the self which the jeev is always so busy trying to elevate. Even simple acts as being kind to the husband/wife/child/pet is already a form of other-directed sanctification which lays the haumai low.

We never say we should eat our food interiorly and not participate in the motions of taste and digestion. yet we condemn temple worship? LOL, I think it is something closer to hypocrisy that no secular activities are on your list. All the external acts of devotion on your list represent our opportunities to publicly show humility in the presence of others. A difficult thing for an ego to do. how much easier to close one's eyes while following the leadership and guidance of one's own intuition and "imagine" what it is to be a "spiritual" person and never once take out the garbage, cook for dozens or even hundreds as a seva, wipe a tear, hold a hand, whisper prayers on the ear of a dying friend.

No, I much prefer the grace of interacting in the material (real to our level of development) world, and trying to learn the lessons of other-directedness which teach me endlessly how far I am from the true path of putting others first and cause me to bow my head in acknowledgment of my need for surrender on a daily basis to a power greater than myself.

[Eastern Mind]

Vannakkam Jasdir:

While this may work for some realised soul sitting in the caves of the Himalayas, the rest of us are just great pretenders. Even the greatest of realised souls still come out (from within themselves) to educate or feed or to bring others into that realised state.

I am wondering where you copied and pasted this from. Please let us know the source and context of such statements.

I am in total agreement with Harjas.

Aum Namasivaya

[jasdir]

Sorry, I don't agree at all.

There is a wonderful saying. "He who constitutes himself his own disciple is the disciple of a fool."

We live in the material world. Yet we also coexist in more than one spiritual dimension while embodied. The human body is precious because this is the vehicle and instrument through which to attain liberation. So there is something to embodiment and materiality which positively impacts our spiritual development.

If all our guidance and lessons could be learned from purely interiorized processes and intuition, then really why would embodiment be considered a precious gift?

Perhaps this perspective overlooks something. Unless you witness firsthand the pain of others by the grief in their faces, the moaning of their crying, perhaps the blood and wounds, then it is possible our "interior" notions of compassion have no relationship to the real world.

And if we are only in relationship to ourselves and our "ideas" about spirituality, we might miss the grace of interaction which pulls us out of the delusive bondage of our own "ideas" about life.

So don't overlook that human beings as multi-dimensional beings have as much to learn from the physical processes of simple things like relating with the body through acts of humility such as touching the ground with your forehead, or gently reciting mantras as gift of external praise to something greater than the Master of the self which the jeev is always so busy trying to elevate. Even simple acts as being kind to the husband/wife/child/pet is already a form of other-directed sanctification which lays the haumai low.

We never say we should eat our food interiorly and not participate in the motions of taste and digestion. yet we condemn temple worship? LOL, I think it is something closer to hypocrisy that no secular activities are on your list. All the external acts of devotion on your list represent our opportunities to publicly show humility in the presence of others. A difficult thing for an ego to do. how much easier to close one's eyes while following the leadership and guidance of one's own intuition and "imagine" what it is to be a "spiritual" person and never once take out the garbage, cook for dozens or even hundreds as a seva, wipe a tear, hold a hand, whisper prayers on the ear of a dying friend.

No, I much prefer the grace of interacting in the material (real to our level of development) world, and trying to learn the lessons of other-directedness which teach me endlessly how far I am from the true path of putting others first and cause me to bow my head in acknowledgment of my need for surrender on a daily basis to a power greater than myself.

Respected Harjas Kaur ji, "Sat-Shri-Akaal"

Nice to meet U
Nice to read U

Thankyou so much for your comments on Haumai(Ego)

I was thinking about the meaning of your name **HAR-JAS ?
Can you define ?

Once again "Sat-Shri- Akaal" from your brother Jasdir.

[saidevo]

namaste Jasdir.

You need to be more practical and less fantasizing. I am sure you are part of a household and have friends. In this Kali Yuga, the householder, specially, one with niShkAma bhakti--desireless devotion, is better placed towards liberation than a person who ignores bhakti in the name of internal inquiry and meditation.

Like EM, I totally agree with HK, and urge you to cultivate the right perspectives and an attitude of reconciliation, for sustained spiritual progress.

[jasdir]

I am wondering where you copied and pasted this from. Please let us know the source and context of such statements.

"Namaste" Eastrenmind ji,

Expencive Source (founded with very hard work)

I hope you are serious to purchase,


Namaste by jasdir.

[Harjas Kaur]

I was thinking about the meaning of your name **HAR-JAS ?
Can you define ?

Sat Shri Akal respected Jasdir veer Ji.

Har is the Supreme Lordship Vishnu as Hari, which is swaroop of the God in the form of all-pervading golden Light like the rays of the Sun. Jas is one who sings the praises of that Divine Light.

Spiritual name is often a guide for the direction we should try to reach for and certainly no individual praise of the bearer. Guruji has given a very beautiful name. Thank you for asking, I'm happy to share.

Namaste Jio

[Ekanta]

Namaste jasdir... and others

Much of what Harjas said... I would put it like this:

I think your "lines" are meant for those who are stuck only on "outside" appearances. In an attitude of reminding them of the internal.

However, for a spiritual aspirant both are important. If we are stuck on the external only we might never progress beyond that. If we try to look internally only, we miss all the great guidance we can get from temples, text, gurus etc etc.

In the end there is no contradiction... (since what's inside is outside) but either one taken on its own is less effective.
The instruction should be practiced/realized & that realization should expressed in ones action.

Ah, something like that... since you asked...

[yajvan]

hariḥ oṁ
~~~~~~

namast� Ekanta,

In the end there is no contradiction... (since what's inside is outside) but either one taken on its own is less effective.
The instruction should be practiced/realized & that realization should expressed in ones action.
Ah, something like that... since you asked...

A very level-headed response , just wanted to say thank you.

praṇām

[saral]

Namste Jasdir Ji,

I am new in this way and I have very less knowledge about spirituality so please explain me who is �Spirituality Advocates�?

Saadar
Saral