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    I suppose there must be multiple indicators to support sanyasi, bhaswaty ji. I have three charts of dedicated householders with zero interest in sanyasa all with four planets in a bhava / rasi. One more chart with Moon in navamsa of Mars aspected by saturn said to make the person like an ascetic but she is as materialistic as they come? I guess one swallow doesn't make the summer..but am curious about saturn Moon in 10th. I have been unable to understand the chart. A forced renunciation of sorts took place in the natives life.

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaswathy View Post
    namasthe ,
    Horoscope is the blue print of past deeds of various births . when a real renunciation is shown in the chart ,we can deduce that the person is no more interested in the material possessions.Then his getting interested in knowing about the future also does not arise. Some times we don't have even the correct birth time and place .So how can arrive at the sanyasa yogas Four planets in one house , especially in the 10th house ,when all or at least three planets are strong , it is said to be a sanyasa of high order .In practice , when VENUS is involved , it could not give pure sanyasa with out any vasanas . This is my observation . Could be wrong also.

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaswathy View Post
    namasthe ,
    Horoscope is the blue print of past deeds of various births .

    What you say is true... yet when one looks to the chart ( with skill) they will see 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 or past + present + future.

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    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    dear friend ,
    It is rather tricky to read a chart with reference to sanyasa yoga , because Saturn and kehu are said to be sanyasa inclined planets . But in some cases we have seen ,even Venus contributing to a genuine sanyasa yoga , though Venus is said to be after materialistic yearnings . Moon in the navamsa of Mars and aspected by Saturn is a sanyasa yoga according to onepoint of view .Again Saturn and moonin exchange with each other , associated with each other , Or in aspect with each other , Kethu with Jupiter in lagna , in 12 th in Meena, 7 lord in 12 th and 12th lord in 7th , all are said to be good sanyasa yogas . But many times, we see that these people are rather spiritual and philosophical in attitude but not have actually taken sanyasam as such .So by just seeing a chart we can't decide , whether a chart belongs to a person in sanyasa ashram. I also had seen many charts which were branded as schizophrenic
    even though they had attained great heights in God realisation or ATHMA JNANAM. In fact many experiences of kundalini awakening appear to be similar to the symptoms of schizophrenia . By this statement I do not mean they are schizophrenics. Some people landed up in mental rehabilitation centers could be highly evolved souls ,though branded as mentally infirm people .

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    Yajwanjee, What you said is perfectly true when looked merely from mundane point of view .

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    Laalu,

    Renunciation often is a gradual process, sometimes life-long, at times claimed by those with clair-voyance/sentience etc as spanning over several lifetimes. There are cases too of very young people who came fuelled with an urge to attain salvation and managed to achieve that. Often these are highlighted in discussion of this rather intriguing human experiential phenomenon of renunciation.

    As you have found out on your own through literature review several such yogas, combinations have been formulated in jyotish texts. Compared to the wealth of jyotish texts focusing on worldly matters: power, fame, wealth, education, marriage, livelihood, diseases, family life etc sanyaasa was given a minority share of jyotish literary real estate. Intriguing...?

    Sacrifice, loss, from a worldly perspective are an essential part of renunciation and so the ultimate house in moksha trine makes sense. According to Parashara planets located in a house are the strongest indicators and so form the fundamental bricks in judging a house. It is an important house for that matter, even though it is often dreaded by the worldly person and from his immediate perspective perhaps appropriately so. When examining a planet its lordship alone would not suffice, hence the wise sages also described their other roles. Combinations alone are not enough although often over-represented in writings etc.

    For other charts, there are a few good collections of horoscopes with detailed notes. Larger databases are available but with sketchy bio-details. Please use both types of resources and make sure to adjust and even recast the charts given in those in case you have a preferred ayanamsha etc. If only vishottari has been used or maybe one or two more, do not hesitate to apply other dasas judicially as you work through each chart as part of self-learning. Unfortunately many authors hold back significant calendar dates and give only the period (dasa bhukti etc) which does pose a bit of problem unless you are using the same ayanamsha as the author.

    I hope you find it helpful.

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    hariḥ oṁ
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    From my point of view ( which is neither here nor there on this matter) aligns to the 5th, 6th, and 8th posts from above ...

    One can look to a few hints for this renunciation (parityāga¹) quality. Note that one can have a parityāga yoga in their chart, yet not be spiritual, or practice
    saṁnyās¹. That is, a person can have this influence and just be one that avoids people, that retreats, that wishes not to engage the world and may sit
    and watch TV, knit, or just look out the window.

    Parivrāja yoga & tapasvī yoga are possible to produce/influence the parityāga quality; yet there are some ‘false’ starts too. How so? If śani and ketu
    are only involved (as we look to the influence on the rasi and navaṃśa¹ lagna ) then outwardly one could ‘look’ the part. What is needed in addition to
    these 2 is venus - śukrá.

    Saturn no doubt brings discipline; ketu ( with no head) gives little interest to worldly activities . Yet will śukrá pull one away from these disciplines?
    So , one needs to look to see what venus is doing in the D1, D9¹, and D20¹ charts i.e. what aspects ? Is it humble (nīca) or cut off (vṛddha) or exalted/powerful
    (vibhava) ? What then of excessive pride (sun) and that of the king (ātmakāraka) ? And you will find that the competent jyotiṣa will always look to both rāśi dṛṣṭi
    and graha dṛṣṭi ( sign and ~planet~ aspects) for their analysis.

    One usually runs the other way when they hear of bandana yoga (bandana - stopping or holding fast); one can see this as being detained for a period of time,
    in some cases this can lead to imprisonment. Yet if beneficial (bhānuvāra¹) graha-s and aspects (dṛṣṭi) are in the mix then this bandhana yoga changes.
    There is still confinement, yet there is benefit, possibility even some contentment. There could be the rigor & discipline of an āśrama, maṭh, or self-study,
    or a confined setting; there may be vows, there may be alignment to rules; yet it sets the conditions for parityāga to manifest. This comes about with argala¹ (intervention).

    Why do I bring this up? Because there are many moving parts. I have been taught and found that only looking at the D1 chart will not yield a realistic view of the native in question.

    iti śivaṁ

    words

    • parityāga - the act of leaving , abandoning , deserting , quitting , giving up , neglecting , renouncing
    • saṁnyāsin practices saṁnyās - to lay aside , give up , abandon , resign , ‘ to throw down’
    • D9 navaṃśa = 1/9th divisional chart
    • D20 viṃśāṃśa 1/20th divisional chart
    • bhānuvāra = bhānu+ vāra = rightness , ray of light , luster , splendor + anything chosen, exquisite
    • argala - a wooden bolt or pin for fastening a door or the cover of a vessel ; intervention. The notion of the bolt suggests that which interjects/ locks-in , ‘bolts’ their effects . It is also known as an impediment. This impediment can be positive or negative ( and even neutral).
      • primary argala occurs with the 2nd, 4th and 11th house from the sign OR graha in question.
      • secondary argala occurs from the 5th and 8th house from the sign OR graha in question
      • there are rules and riders to the above that ask one to look to what is going on in the 3rd house from the place or graha in question as that 3rd location can be auspicious
        (śubha – splendid, bright) intervention

    Last edited by yajvan; 22 November 2015 at 02:24 PM.
    यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    Thank you all for the pointers. I confess I had partially renounced the attempt to understand argala. I will attempt it once more. Thanks for guiding beginners so patiently.

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    Re: Yoga for renunciation

    There are couple of different opinions on the way to analyze the chart of a Sanyasi.

    1. Birth Chart or Natal Chart as we do for normal individuals.

    2. Chart based on when a person entered Sanyasa hood or got his diksha.

    Anyhow I've seen the below pointers working on various charts of saints. At least 2/3 conditions should be satisfied from the below list either in D1 or D9.

    1. All 4 Kendras are without any Graha's.

    2. Saturn & Ketu Conjuction.

    3. Kataga & Simha Lagnas.

    4. Lagnathipathi Neecha.

    5. Exalted Venus.

    6. 9th Lord with strength.

    7. Saturn in second house.

    8. More Planets residing in Shuba graha's houses. More and more planets in Shubha graha's house indicate an enlightened soul. Ucha, Neecha, Swashetra & Moola trikona is also equally good.

    9. Saturn, Mars & Moon related to each other by placement or via houses.

    On a side note Moon & Saturn combination is for an astrologer. I've seen many charts with this combination who have family having interest in astrology.

    One famous example is Dr B.V.Raman who has exalted Moon with Saturn in his 4th house.

    Thanks
    Krishna

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaswathy View Post
    Moon in the navamsa of Mars and aspected by Saturn is a sanyasa yoga according to onepoint of view ..
    Namaste.. Is this an aspect by Saturn on Moon, in navamsa, or in Rasi chart?

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    In the same token, does benefics in A3 and A6 indicate a saintly personality?

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