Namaste
Why do I get the feeling that either you are completely ignorant or you are not a Hindu. No offense intended, maybe just me.
OM
Namaste
Why do I get the feeling that either you are completely ignorant or you are not a Hindu. No offense intended, maybe just me.
OM
यस्मिन् सर्वाणि भूतान्यात्मैवाभूद्विजानत:।
तत्र को मोह: क: शोक एकत्वमनुपश्यत:॥ ७॥
Namaste all,
I'm not exactly sure what you all are trying to say about paganism, but I agree with Onkara. Paganism isn't something that should be looked down upon. It is an umbrella term that can mean a lot of things. But when it comes to the ancient polytheistic religions of Europe (Celtic paganism, Norse paganism, the ancient Roman and Greek religions), that thrived in pre-Christian Europe, there is evidence that these religions were influenced by Sanatana Dharma. This goes in line with the "Out of India Theory", which is a very well-supported and much more reasonable counter to the absurd AIT garbage. This is a subject that I am currently studying more about. I distinguish these ancient religions from modern day paganism because the modern day paganism largely gets absorbed with New Agey, magic, occult, and witchcrafty type stuff, and that is not what the ancient religions were really about.
Again, I'm not sure if this relates to this thread, but I wasn't sure what you all were trying to say about paganism, so I just wanted to make the point that paganism is an umbrella term and it shouldn't be necessarily be looked down upon.
Jai Sri Ram
Sanatana Dharma ki Jai!
Jai Hanuman
?????I think his english has issues,but like I said elsewhere,I think we need more hindus like him.
Okay,regarding Paganism:
I personally think the media has distorted It into something like witchcraft or something like 'gods' in the Trojan War,hence the misconceptions on this thread.Like I mentioned in my 'Namaskar' thread,paganism came earlier for me....then realised what I fool I had been to take hinduism for granted and found its greatness.
(Disclaimer:ALL statements made below are in accordance with (ATLEAST) Norse Mythology.Please do not take my word for anything stated below,do your own homework.Also,this post never suggests that Hinduism is inferior in any way,it just draws out a comparison.)
1)Paganism(or atleast the real pagans) has a kind of obsession with 'Ragnarok'.(Co??)Incidentally this is a so similar to what we call 'pralaya'.Nothing like the armageddon or "Khayamat"-UGGHHH **** we otherwise get.
2)To those who have problems understanding anything regarding the intricate details of the reincarnation,try the pagan version of it....will help you understand why,how etc. etc. unless of course,you are fluent in Sanskrit,because I find the english version lacking(though it could well be a lack of comprehension from my side).
3)The actual GODS are comparable...not forces of nature or something else.Actual dietes and the pantheon is literally a carbon copy with of course,different names.
4)The Pagan version of hell isn't somewhere you wait in line to pay for your sins,but somewhere the soul is purified(rings a bell??).The details given in the Norse version of this are simply beyond.........
5)Valhalla....nufff said....a true Kshatriya will tell you better.
7)The romanticism in Norse Mythology is found nowhere except....you know.Heck this makes the Bible,Quran look like 'a book of rules you must follow' or something along those lines.
8)When we call them Pagans,we might as well call them barbarians.Like the term Hindu,Pagan is a misleading term.They,like us have no name for themselves or the non-believers.No kaffirs,gentiles ****.(btw,what do cutheans call them??)
9)Like Hindus,they have specific boundaries to divide sects like the varnas do.I am not sure on what criteria although someone earlier suggested that Druids=Brahmins(rank wise atleast) and so on......I'll need a little help here please.Also strict on inter-mixing of bloodlines etc.
.........And I can go on and on.The reason why I only quote Norse Mythology is because besides us they are the only 'Heathens(for lack of a better word)' to survive in significant numbers,also at the same time remember who they actually are/were.
Last edited by nitinsharma; 26 April 2011 at 03:56 AM.
Namaste,
I don't have a problem with his views as such, but it's the way he presents his views that makes me think so. But yeah, as I said, maybe just me.
OM
यस्मिन् सर्वाणि भूतान्यात्मैवाभूद्विजानत:।
तत्र को मोह: क: शोक एकत्वमनुपश्यत:॥ ७॥
Namaste,
I don't look down on Paganism in the slightest. I just don't think it can be equated to worship of the Devas. (Vedic Devas, maybe, like Indra, Surya, Chandra, etc.,)
I'm just inclined to think like Ramakrishna and say that New-Age followers who seem more obsessed with the occult and witchcraft have a motley kind of religion (I'm using that term here very loosely), combining any number of deities, tenets and practices from different ancient civilisations that doesn't seem so much eclectic and multivarious as it does confused. I have no doubt the ancients had their own philosophical underpinnings for the worship of these gods and forces of nature, and that these may have been influenced either by each other, or possibly have been brought back from India. It's just that in today's paganistic practices, these ideas seem highly watered down. Symbols and ritual spells seem thrown together from all sorts of background, be they Norse, Celtic, Greek or Egyptian. So, no, I couldn't say I agree that today's Pagans are the same as their ancient forebears. Those ancient religions were sadly crushed into the earth by the Abrahamics, with scant vestiges of wisdom and written instruction left for its descendants.
Om namah Shivaya
"Watch your thoughts, they become words.
Watch your words, they become actions.
Watch your actions, they become habits.
Watch your habits, they become your character.
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny."
ॐ गं गणपतये नमः
Om Gam Ganapataye namah
लोकाः समस्ताः सुखिनो भवन्तु ।
Lokaah SamastaaH Sukhino Bhavantu
Namaskar Bandhu,
My English is not good. May be because I don't feel proud when I speak English, yes it help me like I'm able to talk with many people.
@ Paganism: I don't mean that paganism is inferior, in fact Western paganism was lot more tolerant and better then present day Abrahamic religion. What I mean to say is that Hindu Dharma is not a paganism.
@Ramakrishna: Yes, you would find that old European pagan religions are influenced by Sanatan Dharma as they have migrated from India(Indus Valley)
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