Re: Exploring "I"
hariḥ oṁ
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namasté kallol,
Originally Posted by
kallol
Dear Yajvanji,
Thanks for your beautiful analysis of the Aham and Ahamkara. It gives a new perspective to look at the words.
Thanks again.
This sets the stage to answer your questions more appropriately... We are not done yet and I can continue if you wish.
"let's see everything that Is as Infinite Ocean of Consciousness. This Ocean of Consciousness is both manifest and unmanifest in various forms and formlessness ... with attributes and also without attributes depending upon its vibratory modes. The vibration in this Ocean of Consciousness gives rise to this world that we see."
Here is where the difference lies. Consciousness is by itself unmanifest. Neither it is subject to time, nor change, nor attribute. These are the basic natures of consciousness which is the Higher nature of God and all manifested bodies.
Vibration cannot happen in consciousness as it will involve time, change, attribute.
Vibration in consciousness is how creation begins and is sustained. This is supported and reviewed in the spanda-kārikā-s, a kaśmir śaivism important śāstra (document).
This ~vibration~ is called Self-referral . This pure Being is aware of Itself - that is the 'throb' , the vibration if you will, that is reviewed in the spanda-kārikā-s. That is why it is different then śāṁkhya and in some cases vedānta schools of thinking.
You see, in kaśmir śaivism ( an advaya or non-dual view), pure Being, Brahman is not inert - we see this in the śāṁkhya view. The very 1st verse of the spanda-kārikā-s( based upon the sage's experience) suggests that this Self-referral quality ( spanda) is the basic nature of pure Being ( we call śiva, some prefer Brahman).
So if you are locked into one school of thought you will come to an end in your thinking that leaves you on a remote island without a ship to take you to the shores of understanding.
Note this is not an advertisement for you to pursue any one school over the other... Continue to explore, ponder.
The wise inform us, it is not what you do not know that is an issue, but what you do know that's just not correct, that gets one into a bind.
So, a bit more reading and study will be good, but also direct personal experience is the formula for greater understanding.
Various HDF members will be happy to help. May I suggest one issue/doubt at a time? It will lead to other answers for you.
If you are okay with that then my last post will be a foundation to answer your initial 3 to 4 questions , if we follow a progression of thought . If this is acceptable to you, I will be happy to proceed. If you care to go in another direction, let us know.
praṇām
Last edited by yajvan; 16 June 2011 at 05:19 PM.
यतस्त्वं शिवसमोऽसि
yatastvaṁ śivasamo'si
because you are identical with śiva
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