Reincarnation

**coolbodhi** · 01 April 2006, 08:01 PM

Hi,
If atma is eternal and unborn who and what keeps getting reincarnated?

**Ram** · 02 April 2006, 01:38 PM

Namaste Coolbodhi,

Only the jivatman gets into bondage and goes through the reincarnations, while the paramatman is always free. Both are unborn though. This creation of the world is a sport engaged by God to give the souls the opportunity to attain salvation. Without this merciful offering of God, the souls that "broke" off from God, and caught in the cycle of Karma, have no chance of redemption. Hence the need to make maximum use of every birth and direct it towards God realization which frees all bondage

Your name sounds familar.

**Singhi Kaya** · 03 April 2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by coolbodhi

Hi,
If atma is eternal and unborn who and what keeps getting reincarnated?

Our Ego! .

**sanju** · 12 April 2006, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by Singhi Kaya

Our Ego! .

can you explain what exactly ego is here

**Arjuna** · 12 April 2006, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Singhi Kaya

Our Ego!

I think "ego" (personality) never reincarnate, it persishes. Being composed or dharmas and vanasas, it desintegrates after the death of the gross body. These elements are used for the formation of new "egos".
In certian sense reincarnation is to be achieved, it isn't occuring to common people. To reincarnate one has to have a "soul", some permanent and yet individual essence. Only when one becomes aware of him/herself as Consciousness, he is truely *alive* and able to persist as individual after death.

**Singhi Kaya** · 12 April 2006, 09:17 AM

I used the term Ego loosely - ego is the most gross outward expression of the pure-"I" in us. Also called "AsmitA". This is at the end of mind. It is also not permanent, it's dissolution means we are one with cosmos. So end of birth, rebirth.

**Arjuna** · 12 April 2006, 10:21 AM

No, asmita is not an ego. It literally means "I-am-ness" and that's it.

(Ok, i understood what U mean to say

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**Singhi Kaya** · 12 April 2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Singhi Kaya

I used the term Ego loosely - ego is the most gross outward expression of the pure-"I" in us.

sigh! I really really need to work on my english

**Singhi Kaya** · 12 April 2006, 10:34 AM

Ego is attachment to our body and many more things - Ego is a filtered down and impure reflection of asmita through mind. When one crosses various layers of mind, asmitA is the only barrier beween Jiva and so called cosmic conciousness.

-- Also there are several stages of cosmic conciousness. So views of all realized masters are not exactly equal on everything. The highest stage of cosmic conciousness is Puroshottama.

But who cares, all these are our ideas at this stage, I like them because it helps me to take rational decesions. It alows me to giv more weight to words of Krishna above anyone else even though other's may be jivan mukta or realized souls. And there are often conflicts.