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    Pak textbooks foster hatred of Hindus

    Story here.

    "Pakistan and Social Studies textbooks are rife with negative comments regarding India and Great Britain, but Hindus are often singled out for particular criticism in texts and in interview responses," said the report.

    "Although an unbiased review of history would show that Hindus and Muslims enjoyed centuries of harmonious co-existence, Hindus are repeatedly described as extremists and eternal enemies of Islam. Hindu culture and society are portrayed as unjust and cruel, while Islam is portrayed as just and peaceful," USCIRF said in its report.
    Dont these Pakis realize that their ancestors were once Hindus?

    "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." Quran 2:256 was abrogated by "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way." Quran 9:5.

    Another beautiful and peaceful Quranic verse 9:29:

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
    Last edited by wundermonk; 15 November 2011 at 01:16 AM.

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    Those verses were talking about a broken treaty between the Muslims and the pagan Arabs. You do know that, right?
    Pave to Musalman, pave Hindu, Sikh ve, sada ve Rabb jive; ek sada dil ve. Apne aap nu tu vakhra kyun samjhe...?
    Whether you are Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh...Our God is the same; our heart is one. Why do you consider yourself different...?


    Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself?

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    Firstly, shame on you for not attempting to address the *original* intent of the OP - that of Paki hatred of Hinduism.

    Secondly, why does there need to be any treaty between Muslims and non-Muslims? What would be the contents of this treaty? What would pagan Arabs have to do to break this treaty?

    Thirdly, the Hadiths state that the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. Do you support it?

    Fourthly, what exactly is wrong about Paganism or idolatry or polytheism or Darwinism or any other "isms" out there? Why is only Mohammedanism the true ism out there?

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    hari o
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    namasté

    The greatest enemy to hindu's and/or sanātana dharma and the family of man ( society as a whole) is ignorance. This is the king of the territory, all else may be his landlords that deliver the grief to others.

    praṇām
    यतसà¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤‚ शिवसमोऽसि
    yatastvaṠśivasamo'si
    because you are identical with śiva

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    Quote Originally Posted by wundermonk View Post
    Firstly, shame on you for not attempting to address the *original* intent of the OP - that of Paki hatred of Hinduism.

    Secondly, why does there need to be any treaty between Muslims and non-Muslims? What would be the contents of this treaty? What would pagan Arabs have to do to break this treaty?

    Thirdly, the Hadiths state that the punishment for apostasy in Islam is death. Do you support it?

    Fourthly, what exactly is wrong about Paganism or idolatry or polytheism or Darwinism or any other "isms" out there? Why is only Mohammedanism the true ism out there?

    I was replying to what you said.

    To fully understand the conflict...I would suggest you read this:
    http://www.al-islam.org/restatement/28.htm
    This site is one of the best out there if you want to actually know what Islam teaches.

    About ahadith, I am not of the opinion that ahadith is perfect. Ahadith can be very flawed as it was passed from person to person much like the game telphone and I am not willing to refer to anything other than the Qur'an when it comes to a matter so serious as that.
    Pave to Musalman, pave Hindu, Sikh ve, sada ve Rabb jive; ek sada dil ve. Apne aap nu tu vakhra kyun samjhe...?
    Whether you are Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh...Our God is the same; our heart is one. Why do you consider yourself different...?


    Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself?

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    Re: Pak textbooks foster hatred of Hindus

    Quote Originally Posted by wundermonk View Post
    Firstly, shame on you for not attempting to address the *original* intent of the OP - that of Paki hatred of Hinduism.
    actually why it is necessary? she is not a pakistani to address to that, she is a muslim, so she disagreed only to where a muslim should respond.
    Last edited by sankar; 10 November 2011 at 11:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sankar View Post
    actually why it is necessary? she is not a pakistani to address to that, she is a muslim, so she disagreed only to where a muslim should respond.
    You are right...that is why Indian Muslims, Paki Muslims, Australian Muslims, UK Muslims, etc. hate Jews and Israel even though they have never been to Palestine or Israel or were even born in the Middle East or have even met a Jew...Gotcha. Makes a lot of sense now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wundermonk View Post
    You are right...that is why Indian Muslims, Paki Muslims, Australian Muslims, UK Muslims, etc. hate Jews and Israel even though they have never been to Palestine or Israel or were even born in the Middle East or have even met a Jew...Gotcha. Makes a lot of sense now.
    so whats the difference between the two? I dont support generalisation, Personally have met muslims who feels(though only few) sorry for islamic invasion of indian sub-continent and all those brutal activities, and how do you know ohhcupycakee hates all the jews? . I dont have any respect for quran or islam, but to hate muslims as a whole is worst to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sankar View Post
    so whats the difference between the two? I dont support generalisation, Personally have met muslims who feels(though only few) sorry for islamic invasion of indian sub-continent and all those brutal activities, and how do you know ohhcupycakee hates all the jews? . I dont have any respect for quran or islam, but to hate muslims as a whole is worst to do.
    Nice of those Muslims to commisserate with Hindus, no? One wonders whether they took to the streets in 1947 protesting *against* the two nation theory.

    My father had an Indian Muslim colleague. He asked him "Ghani [his name]...what will you guys do when the Muslim population in Tamil Nadu increases?". Ghani, without batting an eyelid said, "We will fight for a separate country".

    Talk about moderate Muslims is meaningless if these moderates are impotent to make any meaningful changes within Muslim society.

    So, here is the question for pseudo-secular Hindus and "moderate" Muslims. Was the partition in 1947 wrong, and are you willing to *do* something to reverse it? If not, are you at least willing to be an honest spokesperson for the minorities in Pakistan? After all werent these minorities all Hindu at some point in the past? Or like Arundathi Roy, Mahesh Bhatt, Prannoy Roy, Barkha Dutt, et al., do you want the fate of J&K to be decided based on a plebiscite?

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    Re: Pak textbooks foster hatred of Hindus

    Quote Originally Posted by wundermonk View Post
    There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." Quran 2:256 was abrogated by "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way." Quran 9:5.

    Another beautiful and peaceful Quranic verse 9:29:

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
    Dear WM,

    The Q'uran says that the verses should not be interpreted in isloation to suit someone's petty interests. It also says that all verses should not be translated and understood literally alone.

    So, it is better to let Muslims decide what they understand by those verses. Let's not thrust our biased opinion on a Muslim.

    OM
    Last edited by devotee; 11 November 2011 at 05:02 AM.
    "Om Namo Bhagvate Vaasudevaye"

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