I was hoping you would invite this conversation. This is your home, your ideas and also a Buddhist folder and I was brief above for that reason.
If this noble truths are a full view why do they not show fullness?
I have been a witness to suffering on a grand scale in this life. Mostly not of my own...as I was a private nurse for terminal client many many years. During this time I became deeply involved which each person, their family...their life.
1. Suffering does exist - what is implied is suffering exists for the ignorant.
How about a child? A two month old baby or an 80 year old man. One with great knowledge...one without a need for knowledge(baby)?
2.This suffering has an origin and arises from attachment to desires
What desire does a two month old baby have when his step parent is beating his head in with a hammer? For him to stop?
This is suffering without desire...not brought about by your own desire at all...
What desire did a 80 year old man with terminal lung cancer have? For the pain to stop?
3. Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases.
When exactly would such a desire cease? When they were dead?
4. Freedom from suffering is possible by the proper path
"proper path"
As a mother I have seen much of this sort of attitude with my neighbors...they run over an animal and claim the animal is not really hurting...the twitches are just "nervous reactions after death".
Suffering happens. These realms are gross manifested reality. Some if not much suffering happens to innocents with little or no "desire"...unless you count wanting abuse to stop to be a desire?
Suffering happens because of Karma being burned...things from previous lives or from a current one. That is the reason for pain and suffering in SD not "desire".
Yet, I am not beyond the belief that sometimes things happen here unforseen...and that one without a debt to pay could be sucked into a large event such as 9/11 and though suffered through it, did come out unscathed and also recovered quickly which would explain why some who go through tremendous adversity sometimes do come through without hinderance or seemingly any ill effects from the event.
In the middle of the night, you can be yanked from your bed with Afib and perhaps even die right there in front of your children....
and as much peace, Love and calm you could muster in that moment of departure would not negate that suffering.
You can become unaffected, you can separate yourself so much from this place you become numb. But, it will never negate the tremendous suffering still happening in every moment all over this realm. Where is this Truth found above for the one who sees this and can not shut it off so casually?
Now, this is not to say the fool has any more of the answer than these reaching out in the darkness of the above "4 noble truths".
But, it does seem only one angle of the camera?
I do know you have the full view Beloved Yajvan and would like to know what you think of suffering given the limited statements above?
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