Jo sahaj hai, saral hai, wohi satya hai!
[Dear Mana,QUOTE=Mana;78763]Namaste,
my two nostrils now remain clear throughout the day due to well being, with one slightly congesting to allow the other two breath with the proses reversing at regular intervals, how ever when I sing they both close slightly. Any ideas anyone, your thoughts will be appreciated?
Namaste.The process of reversing of respiration in alternative nostrils is because the change of flow of prana in Ida and Pingla nadi inside our spinal cord.When its Ida-vahana,it will be left,then pingla vahana,it will be right.each flows for a 1hr. when it flow in susmna,respiration will be in both nostrils.
may be you can learn SWARODYOYA from a advanced yogi and master in the swardyoya to get control on your rhythm and singing.
Man-naathah Shri Jagan-nathah Mat-guru-shri jagad-guruhu.
Mad-atma sarva-bhutatma tasmai Shri Gurave Namah.
My Lord is the Lord of Universe; My teacher is the teacher of the
entire universe; and my Self is the Self of all. My salutations at the lotus-feet
of such a Guru, who has revealed such knowledge to me.
[QUOTE]Dear Moonlight,
Welcome. its great that you are up to the knowledge.To gain indirect self realization knowledge, Kundalini(divine shakti-god mother) has to be united with Siva at Sahasrara(divine father,paramatma).
This can be achieved by any discipline of spiritual fields. whichever path you follow,knowingly or unknowingly Kundalini will elevate and reach the Param-siva/paramatma at Saasrara(top of headd).
Pranayama is one method where we directly and with consciuosly elevating the kundalini to take it to sahasrara.Its a difficult method dreaded with higher risks,even cerebral hemmorhage/stroke and death if performed wrongly.
But other easy and lesser risky methods are there to achieve the same things which anyone should try like LAYA-YOGA.KRIYA-YOGA,MEDITATION BUT THE EASIEST AND ENJOYABLE AND MOST CERTAIN PATH IS ALWAYS BHAKTI MARGA.THE ROYAL HIGH WAY.
jayaguru
Man-naathah Shri Jagan-nathah Mat-guru-shri jagad-guruhu.
Mad-atma sarva-bhutatma tasmai Shri Gurave Namah.
My Lord is the Lord of Universe; My teacher is the teacher of the
entire universe; and my Self is the Self of all. My salutations at the lotus-feet
of such a Guru, who has revealed such knowledge to me.
there are different variations of pranayama. the breath retention method, which is rarely known, is the method that purifies the energy body prior to kundalini and (more importantly) it is the method that happens spontaneously once your karma has been released and your mind is pure/clear.
other methods have benefits but ...
i'm speaking from experience, having raised kundalini myself, and now i am trying to teach others. fyi.
...but the other methods don't raise K. they might purify the nadis, help the mind and emotions and more great things. but K is a mystery and an enigma, and she is fickle.
check out my youtube channel's how to series for more.
-dale
Namaste yavan,
Thank you kindly for your posting they are, as always, most inspirational indeed!
I am intrigued by the notion of pronunciation as I find that there is a flow and nuance to the words; most importantly the feel of the song dependant upon my immersion within.
I have had the sensation of the displacement of myself from my self within, as I take a small step backwards inside, to observe; as one part of me sings an the other plays the guitar. A bit like being the conductor of two selves instead of just one. (I have also had this happen also in the bank whilst expressing dismay with the bank manager) I actually lost my temper without losing my temper, I shifted back from within my self and was able to both listen and direct my speech from inside in a way I'd never seen or imagined before.
The bank manager did as I requested and apologised profusely, I do not believe that I was rude at all.
My speech was entirely spontaneous, as if coming from karma.
Accessing memory that I didn't know was there.
I am trying to learn to memorise songs in a way which allows me to access them with no mental effort, so as to be able to put all concentration in to the feeling and energy of the piece, as I offer it.
My memory works in a very visual way so I am trying to find ways to improve this; I have heard of a technique, in one of the lectures by Sanjay Rath; it is said that one starts out off by staring into a flame, then at a picture of a favourite Ishta devatastarting from the feet then scanning upwardsand then finally a page of text not reading it but memorising it visually, to pray for the vision to remain as a visual memory in the mind to be read when required or just simply known by heart. I am quite fascinated by this technique and would love to have further instruction.
Thank you dearly,
praNAma
mana
Dear anirvan,
Thank you so very much for your thoughts and wise words, it is quite a revelation for me to learn of swardyoya. I was aware of Ida and Pingala and their waxing and waning but I did not know of this science as a deeper practise, I shall most certainly investigate further. It is in my mind to seek a Guru/Teacher to further my knowledge and to help with practise, yet here in the South of France, I know of no such school or master; balancing my life with my spiritual path is proving quite tricky (as it always is), although it does seem to be opening up now along with my airways.
I have an appointment with an Astrologer on Thursday and I await keenly to hear how he would advises that I progress.
Thank you for your kind thoughts and wisdom.
praNAma
mana
hariḥ oṁ
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namasté
Based upon the muni's experience it is taught/observed that by the reduction ( in tuṭi-s¹ of breath that one may enter turīya ( the 4th, or transcendental consciousness) and finally turyātita ( beyond the 4th).
The is quite interesting. One can go from paśu¹ ( bound) to pati (lord) via the breath when properly managed ( see post 8 and 10 above).
We have prāṇa, apāna, samāna, udāna, and vyāna. We experience it as breath but it is more then ~just~ breath. This prāṇa is energy, śakti, vital air or one may say vital vāyu. It is life force.
By means of prāṇa, apāna, samāna one resides within the constraints of paśu; by the use, understanding and mastery of udāna, and vyāna one enters into pati. It is when prāṇa and apāna become balanced that udāna śakti functions. For those familiar with this concept it is udāna śakti becoming active¹ in madhya-dhāma that turīya ( the 4th, or transcendental consciousness) is experienced.
Note I say it is experienced, vs. 'built' or 'developed' as this level of awareness resides within us already. No one need to go purchase it or build it, its part of our nature just as wake, dream and sleep is part of our nature.
Note that we call it turīya because it is next in line after wake (1), dream (2) and sleep (3); turīya is next and is called 4th ( as that is the definition of turīya) derived from catur+ya. Even though it is 4th , it is the substratum the foundation for the other 3 states aforementioned.
Now when the this transcendental state is part of one's everyday experience ( 7x24x365) one completely associates with turīya as one's normal state of being; This is the awakening. One is inward facing. This is Self-awareness at all times; one's Self is never lost. We now call it turyātita ( beyond the 4th) because one's association is anchored in this 4th level and the other levels are of little concern, they just pass as one's full interest resides in the 4th. This is all possible with the proper management of breath.
This wisdom is not of my authorship and can be found in patañjali’s yogadarśana, kṣemarāja's pratyabhijñāhṛdayaṁ¹, parā-trīśikā vivaraṇa, etc. My only hope is that I communicate it succinctly and without a blemish. For those with a burning desire to know will seek this knowledge out.
praṇām
words
- tuṭi - small cardamom - i.e. a way of measuring the length of the breath; it is considered 16 tuṭi = 1 round of breath;
some measure in dvādaśānta ( 12 fingers)- paśu - any tethered animal; we are considered this by the wise, as we are tethered to the senses and unaware of the Self.
- pati - a master , owner , possessor , lord
- udāna śakti becoming active - I found this to be true from personal experience
- pratyabhijñāhṛdayaṁ is a condensed summary ( done in 20 śloka-s with commentary)
of utpalācārya's īśvarapratyabhijñāhṛdayā
Last edited by yajvan; 15 February 2012 at 05:03 PM.
यतसà¥à¤¤à¥à¤µà¤‚ शिवसमोऽसि
yatastvaṠśivasamo'si
because you are identical with śiva
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Namaste yajvan,
Thank you so much for your wisdom, the new words and concepts are soaking in slowly; I am absorbing still the wonder that is kashmir Shaivism. I find that this language takes some time to grasp fully, it certainly serves to help one to remember. That which is so rarely spoken of. In many ways knowing the names of these states helps to maintain the thought and knowledge of them.
Thank you.
praNAma
mana
[QUOTE=yajvan;78843]
Yajvan ji,Namaste,It is when [/SIZE][/FONT]prāṇa and apāna become balanced that udāna śakti functions. For those familiar with this concept it is udāna śakti becoming active¹ in madhya-dhāma that turīya ( the 4th, or transcendental consciousness) is experienced.
I couldn"t understand the role of Udan and vyana to achieve turiya state. I think by doing Kumbhaka,with the help of samana ,one forcefully enter the prana vayu into susumna and subsequently brahma randhra then it will ascend to sahasrara chakra and attain samadhi.
.Turiyatita is the state of transcendental love/ecstasy which is a state above turiya state which is nirguna/niripadhika.We now call it turyātita ( beyond the 4th) because one's association is anchored [/SIZE][/FONT]in this 4th level and the other levels are of little concern, they just pass as one's full interest resides in the 4th. This is all possible with the proper management of breath.
Man-naathah Shri Jagan-nathah Mat-guru-shri jagad-guruhu.
Mad-atma sarva-bhutatma tasmai Shri Gurave Namah.
My Lord is the Lord of Universe; My teacher is the teacher of the
entire universe; and my Self is the Self of all. My salutations at the lotus-feet
of such a Guru, who has revealed such knowledge to me.
Dear friends ,
When pranayama is done with a mantra , the sadhaka is under the protection of his ishtadevatha . Here sincerty and trust are more important . Bhakthi meas overflowing love . Where Bhakthi is present , there , trust automatically follows . Now , when pranayama is done , first physical impurities are removed from the body , by means of fever or coughs or colds or fevers . Then mental impurities are removed .Usually people think , that sadhana has to started only after mental purification . There is no such rule . Sadhana with pranayama with utmost trust on the Ishtadevatha it self purifies the inner psyche .When once Anthar shuddhi takes place Kundalini raises automatically . Where Kundalini raises with out the shuddhi and where the system is not ready for various reasons , a crisis takes place , where the sadhaka has to face many dangers .
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