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    Re: Ashwamedh problem

    As such since there is no living unbroken tradition of ashwamedha being kept alive for many many many years now [except psuedo re-enactments in AP], I don't believe trying to find meaning to "strange" practices will lead anywhere and won't be accurate at any rate. It will be just for the present day Hindu's personal satisfaction to overlay his modern thinking on things he cannot explain.

    The only living traditions of srauta rituals survive in the true sense [not being re-enactments] in kerala, but they do not do Ashwamedha or similar srauta rituals. Karma kanda does not need puranic and philosophic justification of the modern hindu and if at all studied must be studied in its own context - whose only surviving fragments are in kerala.

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    Ashvmedha have nothing to do with killing the Horse, anti-Hindus have a habit to always use translation of Yagya as "sacrifice", this is false translations based on the theories of **** writers like Griffith, Max Muller, Keith, Child, Piggott etc.

    Anti Hindus under Hindu names as the alter egos of Zakir Naik, spread this in Sadhu uniform, they only act as a Sadhu, these hypocritical also make all crappy Adharmi claims.


    True Hindu must believe in ॐ

    Those who dont realize ॐ and Yoga Philosophy, they cannot know the real meaning of Vedas (Rig-Veda 1/164/16)

    Krishna himself say this.
    There is no violence in Vedas. Bhagwad Gita (17.14)
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    Re: Ashwamedh problem

    Quote Originally Posted by PARAM View Post
    Ashvmedha have nothing to do with killing the Horse, anti-Hindus have a habit to always use translation of Yagya as "sacrifice", this is false translations based on the theories of **** writers like Griffith, Max Muller, Keith, Child, Piggott etc.


    Namaste,

    Param, please acquaint yourselves with our scriptures before issuing blanket condemnations of those who hold true to scriptural statements which you disagree with.

    Maharaja Dasharatha's ashvamedha-yagna did involve sacrifice of a horse, as well as several other animals. This is explicitly mentioned in the Bala-Kanda of the Ramayana of Valmiki.

    According to the 5th chapter of Manu-Samhita, the animals sacrificed in such a yagna get a higher birth (i.e. as human or deva).

    These yagnas were the standard in the ages prior to Kali-yuga when proper brahmins were present who could execute the sacrifices flawlessly and for whom the spoken mantras did bear their fruits.

    Krishna himself say this.
    There is no violence in Vedas. Bhagwad Gita (17.14)

    He said no such thing. Gita 17.14 actually says:

    deva-dvija-guru-prājña-
    pūjanaṁ śaucam ārjavam
    brahmacaryam ahiṁsā ca
    śārīraṁ tapa ucyate

    Word for word:
    deva — of the Supreme Lord; dvija — the brāhmaṇas; guru — the spiritual master; prājña — and worshipable personalities; pūjanam — worship; śaucam — cleanliness; ārjavam — simplicity; brahmacaryam — celibacy; ahiṁsā — nonviolence; ca — also; śārīram — pertaining to the body; tapaḥ — austerity; ucyate — is said to be.

    Translation:
    Austerity of the body consists in worship of the Supreme Lord, the brāhmaṇas, the spiritual master, and superiors like the father and mother, and in cleanliness, simplicity, celibacy and nonviolence.
    In short, if one wants to defend Hinduism, one must first understand Hinduism. If one defends Hinduism by quoting all sorts of revisionist theories, one will merely look like a laughing stock in front of those critics who actually read the texts. And make no mistake - they do read the texts. Therefore, we must understand the texts better than they.

    regards,
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    Re: Ashwamedh problem

    The Gita Press translator is very respectful of the source material.
    Ok gitapress guys are believable but still....
    it is only that he did not offer any footnotes/commentary on this particular shloka as he usually does for other shlokas with unusual meanings.
    the translator must have been himself foxed in this shloka

    Param bhai
    total agreement with you.
    तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया ।
    उपदेक्ष्यन्ति ते ज्ञानं ज्ञानिनस्तत्वदर्शिनः ॥

    उस ज्ञान को तू तत्वदर्शी ज्ञानियों के पास जाकर समझ, उनको भलीभाँति दण्डवत्* प्रणाम करने से, उनकी सेवा करने से और कपट छोड़कर सरलतापूर्वक प्रश्न करने से वे परमात्म तत्व को भलीभाँति जानने वाले ज्ञानी महात्मा तुझे उस तत्वज्ञान का उपदेश करेंगे. श्रीमद्*भगवद्*गीता-4.34

  5. Re: Ashwamedh problem

    Quote Originally Posted by philosoraptor View Post
    koran
    quran
    kuran
    qoran
    flesh
    sex
    jihad
    minimum 72 virgins for terrorists
    rivers of alcohol in jannat
    and more
    Your polluted knowledge is just come out from crappy Islamic translation.
    All the Dharma Grantham support a Yagya can be done as free from violence. Even Vishwamitra requested Dashratha for support, when his enemies were polluting his Yagya by throwing flesh, bones, blood of animals into it.


    You have no knowledge of any meaning of a Shaloks, what you did is just a copy-paste without understanding anything, this even include Islamic websites as your source of knowledge.

    BG 17.14 reveals the purity of Vedas and it actually say there are all sattvik qualities in Vedas and nothing is with violence.


    Your claim from Manu Samriti Chapter 5?
    Those who sell bring, use animals for slaying, those who permit the slaying of animals, those who purchase, cook, prepare, serve, eat the meat, they are all murderers.
    Manu Samhita (Chapter 5)
    This is for everyone including you Muslims

    In short, if you want to attack Hinduism, then must first understand to not to target those who actually understand Hinduism. If you continue attacking Hinduism by quoting all sorts of ostensible theories, you exposed your hypocrite in front of those learned who actually understand the Mantra or Shalokas. And make no mistake - We do understand better, and you are nothing but just a plain hypocrite.
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    Re: Ashwamedh problem

    Admin Note

    Where is mention of maleccha scripture of kooran in Phil's post? How come you are showing muslim reference and quoted him?
    satay

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    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    Admin Note

    Where is mention of maleccha scripture of kooran in Phil's post? How come you are showing muslim reference and quoted him?
    Which Dharma Grantham claims that Varna system is birth based?
    Which Dharma Grantham supports animal slaughter for any Dahrmik deeds?

    On 20 July, this guy accepted his ignorance on Manu Samriti,
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...?t=9822&page=3
    (post number 27)
    Now in two days he is giving Chapter 5 example, which is provided by Muslims and Christians.

    Can you find any of his claim exist in any DhaRMa GranThaM?

    If he believe in them, so what is wrong?

    Bring Yajvanacharya, we all will know if he accepts those translations done by him.
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    Param, why did you falsely ascribe statements about Koran and Islam to me?
    Philosoraptor

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    Re: Ashwamedh problem

    namaste Param,

    You did not answer my question. Where in is post has Phil referred to maleccha scriptures of muslims?

    BTW, my own position on varna is irrelevant here but I also do believe in varna by birth as the scriptures say otherwise every tom, dick and pappu or musla can be a brahmin.

    Quote Originally Posted by PARAM View Post
    Which Dharma Grantham claims that Varna system is birth based?
    Which Dharma Grantham supports animal slaughter for any Dahrmik deeds?

    On 20 July, this guy accepted his ignorance on Manu Samriti,
    http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/sho...?t=9822&page=3
    (post number 27)
    Now in two days he is giving Chapter 5 example, which is provided by Muslims and Christians.

    Can you find any of his claim exist in any DhaRMa GranThaM?

    If he believe in them, so what is wrong?

    Bring Yajvanacharya, we all will know if he accepts those translations done by him.
    satay

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    Quote Originally Posted by satay View Post
    namaste Param,

    You did not answer my question. Where in is post has Phil referred to maleccha scriptures of muslims?
    All his claims are based on works of Zakir Naik and available in Muslim websites, he is just providing the copied item. Take claim of his joke on Ramayana, Mahabharata and Manu Samhita you can find his answers only in Islamic websites, there is no reason to change it and make Hindu claim.

    BTW, my own position on varna is irrelevant here but I also do believe in varna by birth as the scriptures say otherwise every tom, dick and pappu or musla can be a brahmin.

    P Chidambaram, Manish Tiwari, Janardan Dwivedi, Rajeev Shukla etc can be described as Brahmin? Those who took birth to Brahmin parents but converted to Islam and Christianity, can they be claimed as Brahmin? Any tom, dick and pappu or musla can become a Brahmin only in birth based system. There are countless proofs even today, and aren't descendants of Ram and Krishna and even saptrishis are divided into sc/st/obc/general in India?

    Which Dharma Grantham says Varna is birth based? Can anyone prove it in the original itihasa?

    If birth is the reason then how Trishanku was a Chandal despite born as ikshwaku kShaTriYa? How Vishwamitra was a BrAHmiN despite born as a kShaTriYa? How sons of Vishvamitra become Shudra? How Manuji Maharaj becomes a BrAHmiN himself when he was kShaTriYa in earlier life? How Ved Vyasa, Jabal etc were BrAHmiN, when their biological fathers were not known? How Matang was a brahmin when he was born as a Chandal? How come sons of Bharat (Shakuntla's son) were Shudra? How grandson of Bharat (Ram's brother) was a BrAHmiN? Vashishtha, Prashar, Bhardwaja, Atri, Kashyap etc all were Brahmins, but how?

    Simple answer - Higher Varna is not for any tom, dick and pappu or musla.

    But if anyone disagrees, then prove it from itihasa when everyone was following the Vedas. Just making claim and providing quotation is not a proof.


    This isn't stops here, he is also making claims of animal slaughters in yagyas, but whatever he said comes direct from islamic websites. This thread is for Ashvmedha, right!

    Can he prove animal slaughters during the Vedic time that he is claiming? He even blames Krishna for helping and saving murderers.


    Now take his final claim, this attacker on Hinduism himself is saying
    -

    In short, if one wants to defend Hinduism, one must first understand Hinduism. If one defends Hinduism by quoting all sorts of revisionist theories, one will merely look like a laughing stock in front of those critics who actually read the texts. And make no mistake - they do read the texts. Therefore, we must understand the texts better than they.

    Now in short he knows what is going on and he want everyone who is defending Hinduism as a laughing stock in front of critics (Muslims+Christians+Communists)
    But he don't know a true Hindu will never give up. Even Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Lala Lajpar Rai, Chandra Shekhar Azad, Ram Prasad Bismil, Subrahmaniam Bharti, Veer Savarkar etc become laughing stock among those critics, but they never give up.
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