An Islam song I love

[McKitty]

Vanakkam,

Don't worry, I don't have any hate in myself, not even for the most violent muslims. God is not made of hate, our path is not made of fights between us.

I have friends too, wich are good muslims and yet very polite, friendly, smiling and funny persons... But I cannot really study Coran and Muslim teachings in a good peace, as I think of the poor souls trapped in those countries where religion were torn to become a weapon...

I don't mind Muslims calling me kafir. After all, Hindu call me Mleccha. So what. I'm a bhakta of Shiva, not a bhakta of those people, so I really don't mind what names they call me or my friends....This is just sad to see, but how can you explain to them this is not fair ? This is really sad...But I will not make sacrifice of my open minded just to look good and conform to others.

Anyway I enjoy arabic cultures, especially the architectural and artistics of middle age. I can't imagine those people were already painting, building palaces and stories, where at the same time most countries in the west could only put tree stones one on another !


Aum Namah Shivaya

[Twilightdance]

Vanakkam everyone,

I think what made me post this song is that I feel quite drawn to Islam like what IcySFX says, I sometimes listen to Quranic verses recited and I think of all the discipline, 5 times prayer, the burkah and other rituals they go through and I think "this religion inculcates discipline as a strict guideline towards its devotees and therefore has got a good foundation" - for isn't discipline against the evil effects of 'Kali'- but I also wonder why all the violence and the bloodshed. I think I tried to bring it out from readers' minds, those who had similar faiths, as I thought that song was truly spiritual.

McKitty, I would love to hear it if you know any outstanding Mahgreb song.

Thanks.

I liked walking in the forest till it got dark and the wild animals started howling.

It feels good to look at beautiful sea creatures in Nat Geo until suddenly one starts to cannibalize the other.

But more importantly we love our own ideals and cherry pick reality to appear like the ideal.

As far your burka comment goes, I hope you are a woman and want to try it out, else it reeks of chauvinism.

But, I will give you that Islam == discipline as defined Islamic law [and that's the funny bit].
If submitting to some authority or being a slave makes one happy, Islam may be byfar the best choice there.

[Omkara]

Aspirant 01,On what basis do you make the statement that 'corrupt politics' is part of the 'collective karma' of sanatana dharma?Or that 'population explosion' is part of this theologically non existent 'collective karma'?

The neo-nalthusian,leftist theory that population growth is bad has long been refuted and discredited.

And in any case,India's share of the workd population in 1000 AD was 33 percent and now it is only 16 percent.In other words,there has been a drastic decline in India's share of the world population

[Jainarayan]

And in any case,India's share of the workd population in 1000 AD was 33 percent and now it is only 16 percent.In other wirds,there has been a drastic declibe in India's share of the world population

What was the absolute population of India in 1000 CE, v. 2012 CE? What was the population of the entire world in 1000 CE v. 2012 CE? Would you see the population of India @ 2.3 billion just to keep the same percentage? Quantity of life over quality of life in a country that even people on this forum consider underfed and undereducated? Why is percentage more important than absolute numbers? This makes no sense to me.

[Viraja]

Omkaraji,

I agree with Jainarayanji. India has a staggering population and I used to wonder why it cannot be as rich and prosperous as the West is (because India essentially has all the hardwork and resources needed for it) and it seems to me that maybe caste system or something somewhere is the pitfall of our religion that causes it. And I am not saying this negative is only present in Hinduism. The West is practicing Christianity largely, they are rich and prosperous but compare to Hinduism (or practitioners of Hinduism), the West is crippled by numerous number of divorces, single parenting, broken family, etc.

TwilightDance,

By referring to Burka, the discipline I meant was that 'it erases from the female's mind even traces of affinity towards indecent exposure' for it is from this evil of 'Kali' does many sins afflicting mankind arise.

And I agree as you refer, behind all the facade of discipline and peace, there is violence and incredible turbulence. But what I am trying to say is that like every religion, Islam has a place in world's truest religions too, as it too has produced many saints who have realized the self, such as Saint Dara-Shikoh.

[Jainarayan]

the West is crippled by numerous number of divorces, single parenting, broken family, etc.

Not to mention crime in the US alone.

[Eastern Mind]

Vannakkam: In my humble opinion, (based on geography of agriculture, demographics of wealth, and a lecture of one economics professor many years ago) our planet is not overpopulated. Wrong crops (corn for ethanol and cattle feed, sugar cane, poppies, cocoa, and coffee to 'feed' the wealthy, wasted land on golf courses and back yard lawns, are just a few more obvious examples.

The distribution of wealth is extreme. So there is no population problem. There could be at some time in the future, but right now there isn't. We just have to sort out the way we think about food and sustainable agriculture.

Aum Namasivaya

[Jainarayan]

Namaste.

Here alone in the middle of the Garden State, as New Jersey is officially known, we are losing farmland at an alarming rate. Losing it to what, you might ask? To warehouse/distribution centers, to condominium and housing developments. Many of which remain empty. In the area I work (hypocritically at a distribution center ) I can think of 5-6 tracts of farm land that have been sold to build warehousing centers in the past 15 years. There are some county initiatives to preserve open spaces, but nothing can be done about selling the private farmland that can grow food crops. Follow the $$$.

[Omkara]

There is no link whatsoever between population and poverty.India is poor because of deliberate deindustrialization due to the british raj as well as crypto marxist socialist policies for decades after independence.India was the economic superpower of the ancient world.Indua during the times of the marathas amounted to abiut 26 percent of world GDP.In comparison,the US today has a 21 percent share.

[McKitty]

Vanakkam,

I am sorry if I say something sad, but there IS enough food produced for everyone. The problem is lobbys, money, and stuff. Why not send food in africa ? Well, ask a big millionnaire company if they want to send the surplus of food for free at their own cost. You won't be surprised by the answer. So each day tons of food are thrown away.
Agriculture in Africa is possible. They could survive with the mineral ressources. Instead the people sell the little food they have to big companies and their governement give their mineral resources to countries like...China. Yes, this happened recently. China build a whole artificial city in a state of africa. with schools, and everything. The whole is now a ghost city, as nobody can offer to live in it. But in exchange of the city, China took big % on mineral ressources.

I ask, which side is the good guy, wich side is the bad guy ? I can't tell the difference between the farmer that sell his own subsistence for money, and the big company that offer him the money.

West or East, no country is more rotten than another. There are only mens and womens.

This is why little things done with compassion, regardless of origins, beliefs and color, can only lead to great things.

In Kali Yuga, what's the use of sitting and debate about how good or how bad is east/west/Islam/christianity/sanathana dharma/green olives with guacamole. It's a time to act. Not to show superiority and pride, but to show compassion and help.

Aum Namah Shivaya